Wheel Bearing Confusion

Hey guys. Need some help with a confusion.

I took my truck in to get the wheel bearing checked out.

The parts I was to be charged for was $173-wheel bearing and $196-hub.
It seemed a lot, so I declined and decided to do it myself.

I am looking at parts from AutoZone and they have a hub assembly for $109.

It looks like it includes the bearing, but based off the charges from the dealership, it sounds like I am missing something.

Is hub assembly of $109 that much of a difference that Toyota charges of $369. Can I ask Toyota to just change the bearing and keep the original hub?

Is that not a thing?? So confused.

 

https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads...-ive-done-the-work-you-save-the-money.288282/

 

Try this guy out: http://www.jerseybuilthubs.com/

 

The job is easy if you have done brake jobs and have tools you have the know how - just buy from one of the two vendors and follow the write up. Took me a 2 hours for the first one and hour and quarter for the second. This is the way to go.

 

contact @BamaToy1997

 

There are only a few companies in the US that make a TRUE complete assembly that bolts right in. At the parts store when they sell you a hub bearing assembly, they call the bearing and the mounting flange the "hub assembly" so there is some confusion on what you get and don't get. You can certainly take it to the dealership and get them to replace just the bearing itself and reuse your original hub. Most dealerships charge around $600 parts and labor. If you want to save a lot of time and money you can buy my assembles that are ready to bolt right in! you can do it in your own driveway with a basic set of automotive tools, and rent or borrow a good torque wrench! If you have any questions just let me know!

 

Aftermarket hubs are so affordable, it's worth purchasing them to have the bearing and hub pressed and ready to go when you remove the old one. Otherwise, the inside bearing race needs to be cut off the old hub, which requires some precision and the old race may leave scratches and, possibly, light grooves on the hub upon removal. I recently installed the Dura hub and bearing kit from Amazon, # 29596058 for $75.

You also need:
Bearing outer seal - OEM 90312-96001. I got Timken/National # 710477 ($5)
O-ring - OEM 90301-A0005 (dealer item - I order online from Elmore Toyota-$4)
Silicon lube for rubber parts. I use SuperLube #97008 ($11).
Threadlocker (medium) for the 4 bearing assembly bolts.

These parts are optional.
Bearing inner seal - OEM 90316-A0001, or #710573 Timken/National. This presses into the knuckle but requires more disassembly.
Bearing mounting bolts (4) - OEM 90119-A0167 (flanged) or 90119-12369 (4runners); either will work. The bolt size is M12 X 1.25, 35mm long; 10.9 grade. You'll need them if you want to assemble the hub and bearing assembly ahead of time. Otherwise, you can re-use the stock ones.

You need a press to press the wheel bearing onto the hub. A wheel bearing kit may work - I have one, I should see if I can press them. (Need to prep a new hub/bearing as I like to have a set ready to go.)

How to: You are welcomed to use my press. Shoot, you can use my driveway and tools. I even have extra O-rings and hub bolts you can have. (No, I will not mail them).

I'm on my third set of wheel bearings and second set of hubs - I off-road; so, I go through a set every 70K or so.

On driver-side I currently have 25K on a Dorman hub with a Dura bearing. When pass side I recently installed the Dura hub and bearing - only have about 1500 miles on that combo. Just did a 700+ mile run through Mohave desert (Diego to Needles, Eagle Pass Rd, Goffs ...) and both sets are holding up as expected.

 

Rolling Bamatoy1997 b's for 60k, so far. It's like a magic carpet ride

 

That's nj636, the other vendor here that sells the units pressed and ready to go.
https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads...-complete-save-custom-built-available.288055/

 

Lesson 1. Stay away from dealers if at all possible.

Lesson 2. Find a highly reputable local independent mechanic. Tacomas aren't any more complex than other marquees, and good shops have access to things like AllData

Lesson 3. Use sites like TacomaWorld to help you solve issues. (complete)

Lesson 4. Start a 'conversation' w/ @BamaToy1997 and get your parts on the way!

 

Why go through a middleman when you can get your parts directly from Amazon, Rockauto, etc...?

Now, if you need your parts pressed, then I can the [partial] value of their service. (Any local auto shop can press them for you.)

I still think you can use a bearing kit to press the bearing onto the hub. I used one to press the front bearing on wife's Lexus. My Betooll kit is no longer available; it is identical to ATD # 8625.

Look at what this guy did (but he did it wrong - he should have a spacer over the inside race; the way he did it puts undo stress on the bearings):

 

Yes, some of us are capable of doing that. I'd wager most here are not.

And even some of the ones who can find a preassembled unit expedient time wise, reducing down time and parts chasing.

I may be wrong, but I made the assumption (and we know what that can do) that the OP would be in the pre assembled camp. Mostly because he started at the dealer and was confused about the parts house listings........ not being rude here OP, you did well to pull back from the dealer and ask questions!

 

Hey guys,

Update:

I completed the job today and learned a lot about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c17YAsJFBwk
Video link above is what I used for help, but...

I originally bought the so called "wheel hub assembly", which was just the bearing as shown below.


I removed the hub assembly (Wheel hub and bearing).
I then separated the two on a press, but one half of the bearing seized to the hub and the press basically bent the bolts on the tool we were using to separate the two.

I my buddy took me to Advanced Auto, Autozone, and Oreily's, but no one had the actual "hub assembly". Oreily's was did have a wheel hub, so I bought that and we went back to press the bearing on to the hub.

Here is the wheel hub without the bearing looks like:


Together they make the actual "wheel hub assembly":


Put it back on and she is running smooth now.

All the stores in Augusta, GA had to special order the actual assembly.

What I learned:
-Order the whole dang assembly first then do the job(no press needed)

What I saved by doing it on my own(note: I am in the military and used the auto skills shop):
Toyota Charges-
$173.57-Bearing Assembly
$196.91-Hub
$330-Labor(3 hours)
$16.64-Bolts and Washers
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$717.12 - TOTAL

What I spent:
$109.99 - Bearing Assembly(Advanced Auto Parts)
$54.89 - Hub
$20.00 - Press
$31.25 - $5 an hour Lift bay(On base Auto Skills Center)
$0.00 - 5 hours Labor(Not including running to store)
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$216.13

Saved: $500.99

Thanks for the help everyone.
Also, the side that you turn when the noise goes away IS NOT the side that needs attention, it is the opposite side.

 

You didn't replace the bearing seals and o-ring?

 

Just did mine. 118$ with shipping complete hub and bearing with seals. Took 45 mins.

 

I replaced my front HUB/Bearing assemblies last year. The Stealership wanted about $900 to do everything.

I ordered the parts and installed the bearing/hub assembly myself. It was not difficult and there is pretty good instructions on Youtube.

I chose to replace the whole assembly in order to nor risk damage to the bearing by pressing it on.

I would purchase a Moog Hub Bearing Assembly or Genuine Toyota Parts through a discount Toyota Parts Supplier.

The Stealerships want way too much for their parts.

 

That's who I used six months ago. Fast shipped, well packed, and work perfectly.

Can't go wrong with either of the two main vendors here.

Sometimes I'll buy special tools or tools I won't use very often(a press) so I can work on something. Other times, I'll pay the convenience fee of someone owning the tools and doing the work for me. This was one of those times.

 

That above photo made me CRINGE! That is DEFINITELY not the way to press that together!

To the OP, glad to hear you have your truck fixed and back on the road. I was pretty much right on the money for the dealership cost.

I do have one concern. In your price list of items you bought, you did not have the outer seal listed. I hope that it was just left out of your parts list, and NOT left out of the assembly. That seal is mission-critical for sure! Next time you have a need for a bearing, consider getting one of my complete units. Total cost would have been $191 to include all brand new parts, as well as the inner seal (which I highly recommend) and shipping is included.

 

@BamaToy1997

I used the ring and seal that was on the original assembly.
Due to not knowing about the parts and youtube videos doing all the pressing, I did not know how it was done.
Next time I do it I will probably put up a video showing that no press is needed to separate the hub and bearing, if someone bought them already together.

Probably one of the worsts sales I have seen, calling a bearing the "hub assembly".
Something I will be pissed of about for the rest of my life.

 

I just tell everyone to save the time and hassle and just buy my pre-assembled units!
(Yes, shameless plug! Haha)