Warn Zeon 8-s vs Warn M8000s

Hi guys!! Im in the market for a winch. I am stuck between the Zeon 8-s and the M8000-s. the Zeon 8-s is $1099 and the M8000s is $785. Is it really worth paying the extra $314 for the newer series of winches? I pretty much use my truck for hunting/ expedition. So the only time I will be using my winch is if I ever get stuck and it has only happened once in 4 yrs. Thanks in advance!!

 

I vote m8000-s.

The only significant difference between the two for occasional use is the line speed IMO.

I don't take fancy looks into account since it's inside my bumper, In fact the Zeon requires a "relocation kit" just to move the solenoid if you are mounting the winch in a tight spot.

The M8000s is also lighter!

 

Thanks ! I am leaning more towards the m8000-s . Anyone else ?

 

Why not a VR10000-S ?

Edit:

Thats what my debate is, either the M8000S or the VR10000S

I know plenty of guys with 8k winches that are telling me go 10k. Then you read on here that the 8k is sufficient.

 

Is 8000 not enough ? Anyone with 8000 lbs winch regret not getting a 10,000 lbs winch?

 

I have the m8000 and do not regret it one bit

 

That's what I want to hear . Have you used it a lot ?

 

No

 

I have the M8000, and have had one on all my trucks/jeeps. Like you I use it maybe 3 or 4 times a year...they have ALWAYS WORKED EVERYTIME!!!! They are my insurance when off roading...like a spare tire I hope I don't need to use it but it's nice to have when I need it!!!!

 

The vr10000s is nice but wouldn't it be down grading from the m8000s?

 

I've heard the VR series is a cheap ass Chinese version. Go with the m8000 over the VR I think. You'll need to use your winch when you're in shit. To get you out of a jam. You don't want it to crap out on you when you need it most. I'll never own anything but a warn winch. I've seen every other type of winch fail. I have seen a warn fail but it was from major abuse. Other winches fail simple because they're not Warns

As far as the Zeon vs M series, I would go with the m8000 unless you need the fast line speed.

 

Some of the m8000s are made in China too. Difference is in the quality of the remote and the contactor or solenoid design. The vr series is the same hp motor just less efficient.

 

Ok i lied. The vr8000 is Chinese made. Vr10000 is made in the US. as is the m8000.
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f19/wa...superwinch-talon-9-5i-243275.html#post3785148

 

If you employ proper winching techniques (snatch blocks, allowing cool down time), an 8000lb winch should be PLENTY.

The VR series of winches uses solenoids instead of contactors as in the M-8000s. Solenoids tend to heat up and fail under high current situations…

High current is a winch's middle name lol

 

I have an 8k winch and although it does the job, I have used it in a couple of places that made me consider trading out for a 10k. If I had to do it over again, 10k is what I would have bought. With all the armor and gear when wheeling, if you are pulling your tires up a rock....you will want the bigger winch, trust me. Also the price difference isn't much when you consider the piece for wince extension lines and snatch blocks when using the snatch block technique....just my opinion though....

 

M8000-S with rebate on Amazon Prime right now: $685.61

VR10000-S with rebate: $749.99

So the price is about the same, in retrospect. Weight difference is negligible. As are the Amp draw at load.

Frequency of use plays the biggest role in deciding between VR and M series from the looks of it. I.E Wheeling every day or occasional weekend warrior trips. I think I'm still going to go with the VR10000S and a remote. I also looked at the Zeon series but you have to buy a relocator kit, I think they're aimed at Jeeps because of the looks, most of them have winches hanging out.

VR10000-s SPECS/PART NUMBERS
Winch model: VR10000-s
Part number: PN 87840
Rated line pull: 10,000 lbs., (4536 kgs.) single-line
Motor: 12V DC, Series Wound
Electrical controls: Solenoid
Remote Control: Remote switch, 12' (3.7m) Lead
Geartrain: 3-Stage Planetary
Gear ratio: 261:1
Clutch (freespooling): Sliding Ring Gear
Brake: Automatic Direct Drive Cone
Drum diameter/Length: 2.625"/9.0" (6.67cm/23cm)
Weight: 64 lbs. (29.02 kgs)
Rope: Spydura synthetic -- 100', 3/8" diameter (30m, 9.5mm diam.)
Fairlead: Full radius polished aluminum hawse
Recommended Battery: 650 CCA minimum for winching
Battery leads: 2 gauge, 72" (1.83m)
Finish: Powder coat
Warranty: Limited Lifetime

12V DC PERFORMANCE SPECS
Line Pull
Lbs.(Kgs.) Line Speed
FT./min(M/min.) Motor
Current Pull by layer
layer/Lbs(Kgs.)
0 25.9 (7.8) 66 amps 1/10000 (4536)
2000 (910) 13.0 (3.9) 160 amps 2/8000 (3629)
4000 (1810) 9.6 (2.9) 247 amps 3/7280 (3302)
6000 (2720) 7.1 (2.1) 332 amps 4/6670 (3026)
8000 (3630) 5.0 (1.5) 417 amps 5/6230 (2826)
10000(4536) 2.3 (0.7) 502 amps

M8000-s SPECS/PART NUMBERS
Winch model: M8000-s
Part number: 87800 (currently not CE compliant)
Rated line pull: 8,000 lbs., (3630 kgs.) single-line
Motor: Series Wound, 12V 4.8 hp, 24V 2.1 hp,
Electrical controls: Contactor
Remote Control: Remote switch, 12' (3.7m) lead
Geartrain: 3-Stage Planetary
Gear ratio: 216:1
Clutch (freespooling): Sliding ring gear
Brake: Automatic mechanical cone
Drum diameter/Length: 2.625"/9.0" (6.66cm/23cm)
Weight: 55 lbs. (25 kgs)
Rope: Spydura synthetic -- 100', 3/8" diam.
Fairlead: Full radius polished aluminum hawse
Recommended Battery: 650 CCA minimum for winching
Battery leads: 2 gauge, 72" (1.83m)
Finish: Argent gray powder coat

12V DC PERFORMANCE SPECS
Line Pull
Lbs.(Kgs.) Line Speed
FT./min(M/min.) Motor
Current Pull by layer
layer/Lbs(Kgs.)
0 30.2 (9.20) 80 amps 1/8000 (3629)
2000 (910) 14.2 (4.33) 200 amps 2/7280 (3302)
4000 (1810) 9.9 (3.02) 285 amps 3/6670 (3026)
6000 (2720) 7.3 (2.22) 350 amps 4/6230 (2826)
8000 (3630) 4.8 (1.46) 435 amps

 

Good info ! I might consider the vr10000 since it's also USA made . But I don't mind spending the extra money for the zeon 10-s if it's really worth it. Is it worth it? I'm planing on keeping my truck for ever so woulD want something that's going to last me years and years. But now I've changed my Mind and do want a 10k winch .

 

Thanks man ! I will go with a 10k . I wouldn't want to regret It one day .

 

Yup....buy once cry once...that is my motto...