Trade in Tacoma for an EV Truck?

Indeed a ev 4Runner or Taco/Tundra would be sweeet.

 

The data isn't fictional my man...

Anyway, here's a link to some updated information for you. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT - Renewables & natural gas consumption surpassed coal by quite a bit. Good news for the environment.

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/us-energy-facts/

However, in case you missed it, Straight from the department of energy's website (below) "Coal is the largest domestically produced source of energy in America and is used to generate a significant chunk of our nation’s electricity."

https://www.energy.gov/coal

As I said - I'd love to see it happen, but renewables are still in their infancy, where as the dirty stuff is well-established.

 

yeah, I know they’re more harmful to the environment but oh well lol I work for oil and seen lots of spills so idc. I only like Tesla’s since they’re like Skynet with their AI plans.lol

 

You shouldve bought a prius then, yeah no thanks an 80k truck to take offroading yeah no thank you, im cool with my single cab

 

If I had the cash I would take the cybertruck since the stainless would be great but the downside to all of this is charging.

the winner would be the cybertruck but just for the city as a work truck for plumbers or electricians. But Moab in electric? Imagine puncturing the battery pack.

 

EV just doesn't seem practical for me, I do week long camp trips from Calif into Nevada, once in Nevada I will turn off pavement for up to 65 miles of dirt roads in pursuit of gold mining, can you carry spare 5 gal cans of electricity??

 

Just before you turn off pavement grab a lunch and charge up the Cybertruck while having a sandwich. That will give you about 500 miles of range. About twice what the Tacoma has and you won't have to carry 5 gallons of explosives with you ;-)

 

I just don't think it would work. A loaded EV truck would barely get 100 miles range towing a large SXS, plus all the camp gear for a weeks stay. I havn't yet seen a single EV 4x4 Truck for sale even. Just pictures on the internet. We know from experience with a Tesla, towing anything your range disappears. Will let others be the pioneers. hehe.

 

Yes, towing is a legit concern! The range gets hammered, not sure what the CyberTruck will do, but it will be rated to tow 14,000 lbs so I'm HOPING that a 4,500lb trailer won't impact it too much. Will let you know in about a year (#133,000 or so on the list).

 

Yeah, look I've been in a jungles of Guatemala to visit a friend. He used to flip Land Rovers and sell them in the US. In the jungles and mountains the gas and diesels win. In Mexico Tacomas are loved in the mountain terrains specially the manual TDRs. Right now there is no comparison, EVs are for city only. Look I like them but not for the primitive outdoors. There is a new start up company that has a "can of gas" for EVs but is just starting up. They only's one who have those "gas cans" are tow trucking companies in Cali. Gas is still going to beat it anyway. Maybe with the terminators start taking over and stopped all oil production. We probably will have to use solar to power the EVs in the off grid Moab trails.lol

 

I checked my route up thru Calif to Nevada and plenty of super charger stations on way up there from Sacto valley, , Sparks, Fernley, Lovelock, then Winnemmucca. Gets sparce out in middle Nevada for a super charging station. I know the big semi EV trucks seem to have range with loads, but not sure enough batts can be carried on board a 1/2 ton truck for Towing. I will wait on your experiences. hehe.

I got a buddy that has a Tesla, he uses it in place of his F250 diesel regularly now as his rolling business office for his window/siding business, he has been saving well over 1,000 a month in fuel bills. Recharging the Tesla is about 19.00. He has been using this for awhile now.

 

The tech is only ever improving. Most of us will live to see the day EVs replace ICE as the majority, just as ICE replaced horses.

Plus I think regenerative braking is just the coolest

 

Oh nooooo....

Nikola names their manufacturer for the Badger E-Truck. - and I do not see this as good news... I had my bets on VW... maybe also IVECO (as with the Semis) - but they have gone wrong! a pairing with GM would appear to spell a quality DISASTER...


Only time will tell... We can hope for the best... but what are the odds?

I now sense that the Rivian may be the one to get... - I certainly will not be getting one of the first gens - So I'll have time to see how this all plays out...

The release is below:
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General Motors receives 11 percent ownership of Nikola and right to nominate one director; General Motors seizes growth opportunity with Nikola to boldly move into broader markets with Hydrotec fuel cell and Ultium battery systems

• General Motors to receive $2 billion equity stake in Nikola in exchange for certain in-kind contributions
  
  
• General Motors to engineer, validate, homologate and build the Nikola Badger for both the battery electric vehicle and fuel cell electric vehicle variants as part of the in-kind services
  
  
• Nikola anticipates saving over $4 billion in battery and powertrain costs over 10 years and over $1 billion in engineering and validation costs
  
  
• General Motors expects to receive in excess of $4 billion of benefits between the equity value of the shares, contract manufacturing of the Badger, supply contracts for batteries and fuel cells, and EV credits retained over the life of the contract
  
  
• General Motors to be exclusive supplier of fuel cells globally (outside of Europe) to Nikola for Class 7/8 trucks, providing validation and scale in a multi-billion dollar total addressable market
  
  
• Badger is anticipated to enter production by year-end 2022

PHOENIX/DETROIT, Sept. 08, 2020 — Nikola Corporation (NASDAQ: NKLA) and General Motors Co. (NYSE: GM) today announced a strategic partnership that begins with the Nikola Badger and carries cost reductions through Nikola’s programs, including: Nikola Badger, Nikola Tre, Nikola One, Nikola Two and NZT. As part of the agreement, Nikola will utilize General Motors’ Ultium battery system and Hydrotec fuel cell technology, representing a key commercialization milestone for General Motors.

Nikola will exchange $2 billion in newly issued common stock for the in-kind services and access to General Motors’ global safety-tested and validated parts and components. General Motors will be subject to a staged lock-up provision beginning in one year and ending in June 2025. General Motors will engineer, homologate, validate and manufacture the Nikola Badger battery electric and fuel cell versions.

“Nikola is one of the most innovative companies in the world. General Motors is one of the top engineering and manufacturing companies in the world. You couldn’t dream of a better partnership than this,” said Nikola Founder and Executive Chairman Trevor Milton. “By joining together, we get access to their validated parts for all of our programs, General Motors’ Ultium battery technology and a multi-billion dollar fuel cell program ready for production. Nikola immediately gets decades of supplier and manufacturing knowledge, validated and tested production-ready EV propulsion, world-class engineering and investor confidence. Most importantly, General Motors has a vested interest to see Nikola succeed. We made three promises to our stakeholders and have now fulfilled two out of three promises ahead of schedule. What an exciting announcement.”

“This strategic partnership with Nikola, an industry leading disrupter, continues the broader deployment of General Motors’ all-new Ultium battery and Hydrotec fuel cell systems,” said General Motors Chairman and CEO Mary Barra. “We are growing our presence in multiple high-volume EV segments while building scale to lower battery and fuel cell costs and increase profitability. In addition, applying General Motors’ electrified technology solutions to the heavy-duty class of commercial vehicles is another important step in fulfilling our vision of a zero-emissions future.”

The agreement with Nikola extends General Motors’ utilization of its fuel cell technology to the Class 7/8 semi-truck market and represents a high-volume commercialization of its leading Hydrotec fuel cell system and complements the company’s battery-electric propulsion. Fuel cells will become increasingly important to the semi-truck market because they are more efficient than gas or diesel. General Motors sees additional growth opportunities in multiple transportation, stationary and mobile-power end markets.

General Motors’ battery development work is ongoing. Its Ultium battery technology roadmap includes silicon anodes and lithium metal anodes, which will improve vehicle range, affordability, and reduced dependence on rare and costly metals. It is already demonstrating automotive-grade durability and significantly higher energy density.

Nikola will be responsible for the sales and marketing for the Badger and will retain the Nikola Badger brand. The Badger was first announced on Feb. 10, 2020 and will make its public debut Dec. 3-5, at Nikola World 2020 in Arizona. Badger production is expected to start in late 2022 at a location to be announced at a later date. In celebration of this announcement, $100 Badger pre-order reservations are now available at nikolamotor.com/reserve/badger.

Nikola remains an independent company. The investment is subject to customary antitrust regulatory approval and closing conditions. The parties anticipate closing the transaction prior to Sept. 30, 2020.

 

Yeah, I was 99% sure I was going to put a deposit on a Badger. Well, no way in hell now.

 

The incredible part about this whole thing is that Nikola basically just admitted that they've created nothing!!! It's all vaporware...just a hype machine!

They've been around for what, over 4 years now, talking about how they're developing next gen battery tech, 40% better than Tesla...& now...suddenly...they're just gonna use what GM has for batteries & fuel cells?!

The whole company is a sham...if you can't tell, the whole thing just pisses me off to no end...GM has basically just paid to take advantage of their (undeserved) hype.

 

I've been reading thru this thread ... about would you trade in your Taco for an EV ...

the simple answer is not today.

there is not enough infrastructure in Canada, unless you have a home charging station and will not be traveling outside of the main thoroughfares within the country. As soon as you start looking for remote backcountry destinations you will need an alternative power source to recharge your EV.

This eliminates about 70% of the countryside.

plus if I'm dropping ($65,235 CAD) $49,900 for the base model... it better have a better range then 300 miles (482 kms) ... as my Taco currently averages 650kms per tank.

Not to mention, my current lifestyle is finding remote off-grid adventures. Sounds like this will be limited to corridors where super charging and destination charging is possible. There goes that road trip we are planning to Whitehorse, Yukon for next summer.

a hybrid - regenerative - solar power option would be the best of all worlds for someone in the middle of Nowhere like Alberta, Yukon, Northwest Territories, Northern British Columbia, the northern half of Saskatchewan or Manitoba.


the nearest Tesla store/service centre to my home is a mere 297kms (185miles) -- guess I can get there in a single charge

 

The lack of EV charging opportunities in more rural and less urbanized/suburbanized areas is a real concern for anyone thinking of extended EV travel. I'm thinking that Ford, with their Hybrid F150 w/onboard 7.4Kw power plant might be on to something. Big. Really Big. Ever since I bought my RAV4 Hybrid and have experienced hybrid technology and performance I thought a full-size pickup truck would be the perfect platform for a really robust hybrid system.

 

Agreed. I think Ford still has plans for a full electric truck in the next couple of years but I'd prefer a hybrid for the reasons you have mentioned above. The upcoming F150 hybrid looks good.

 

I think a hybrid Tacoma would be the best of all worlds. Gives you a little extended range, better mpg. But still have the benefit of utilizing gas on extended road trips. As many have said, infrastructure just isn't in place for EV vehicles yet. Unless you are just using it to commute, but then why own a Tacoma/Truck.

Also, the charging times just don't seem worth it. Gas is just fill up and go. EV is wait around for extended periods of time for the vehicle to charge. I think hybrids offer the best solution. I'm holding out for a hybrid Taco/4Runner/Tundra whichever fits my needs best when those are options are available down the road. For now my 2016 will more than cut it.

 

I'd be all over a hybrid.