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Special Operating Definition

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by Huntjlc, May 2, 2019.

  1. May 2, 2019 at 10:30 AM
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    Huntjlc

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    Does anyone have or has been advised by Toyota what they mean by special operating conditions as it relates to maintenance?

    I know they refer to off roading, towing, etc. but is it one time? Half your miles? 80% of your mileage?

    Seems everyone thinks they are special lol and that they need shortened fluid change intervals because they drive that forest road a few times a year. It’d be nice to have something more tangible.
     
  2. May 2, 2019 at 10:39 AM
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    IMHO at least over 50% of your mileage meeting some severe duty criteria.

    Off road on mild trails, KOA camping and dragging a jet ski around doesn't qualify as severe either. ;)
     
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  3. May 2, 2019 at 10:43 AM
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    I was thinking around 50%, but then 5,000 miles in a typical interval period has to be off road or towing? I get that things like grade, temp, and trailer weight would alter the number. But somewhere a Toyota engineer had to type up a scenario that qualified lol. We could then use that to base our choices on when to do maintenance.
     
  4. May 2, 2019 at 10:52 AM
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    Manual articulates “majority”, (aka, more than 50% of the time)

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  5. May 2, 2019 at 10:59 AM
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    Yes, it does and I get that means 51%. But does that really mean we can tow 4999 miles each interval and still go 10k? Or that I can off road from Phoenix to UT a dozen times and go 10k?

    I’d love one single qualifying scenario from Toyota as a base in which we can adjust up or down based on our specifics scenario.

    For clarity.
     
  6. May 2, 2019 at 11:11 AM
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    That’s a good find. I was wondering this same thing recently, if my 1 mile down a country road counted as special circumstances. I’m gonna say no.

    I think you kinda just have to decide for yourself if what you’ve been doing qualifies as causing extra stress on the system. I’d maybe base it on a 5000 mile level. Have half of those been towing heavy or off-road? Then maybe you’ve done more work than a typical highway driver and it may do you some good to refresh your oil.

    You could probably check your oil too, for color or other signs of wear.

    Seems to me like this is just a CYA from Toyota if something goes wrong, they can blame it on you off-roading and not changing your oil enough.
     
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  7. May 2, 2019 at 11:14 AM
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    You should do what would give you peace of mind.
     
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    I doubt your going to get a answer from Toyota here.
     
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    I’m not in the “every 5k” camp. But many in my various groups are. The math just isn’t adding up comparing the normal and special intervals. Curious more than anything. I’ve only seen one 3rd gen Blackstone analysis. He was typical, a commuter with some stop and go along with off roading here and there. At 11k his oil was fine.
     
  10. May 2, 2019 at 11:18 AM
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    Probably not in an official statement lol. But I thought maybe some “in the know” lurked amongst us mere mortals.
     
  11. May 2, 2019 at 11:22 AM
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    My truck is at 3500 miles total since purchase in January, 90% offroad and 10% streets

    I'm gonna be servicing 2x faster than what the manual says regardless
     
  12. May 2, 2019 at 11:25 AM
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    Wow, over 3,000 miles off road and you only have 3500 total?! Where do you live where you don’t even have to drive to the trails?
     
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    Do what I did. Get a feel for your habits and get the oil analyzed. Soon you'll be able to tell what's hard and what's easy driving. I thought I was rough on my truck, 5,500rpm up steep elevations, hours idling in the 120* Arizona sun etc and Blackstone said I could push it to 12k interval ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. (side note, I barley push it to 10k)
     
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  14. May 2, 2019 at 11:28 AM
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    Average 100 miles of street driving per trip.

    Max 10 trips, so maybe my math was a little off. 2500 all offroad, 1000 all street. I feel bad too, truck just stays on the entire time for 6-10 hours while on the trails and crawling
     
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    Curious as to how you got a 2019 3.0
    Is this your 3rd truck?
     
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    Why? Thats the easiest way to run it. Steady temps and fewer/no engine starts.
     
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    2nd Truck, first one was strictly work use and I enjoyed it so much I wanted a personal truck

    3.0 stood for the coilovers . I run 3.0 instead of 2.5s
     
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    Ok
     
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    Oppps wrong place. Please delete
     
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    I’m thinking common sense comes into play... if you really need a flat out fixed, non conditional answer, then YES... under Toyota’s written direction, you may tow 4999 and still just do a standard 10K check. Of course, a more prudent solution would be to do the additional special operating conditions check at a 5K/10K interval, (assuming you towed 2499/4999 miles of it) and then send out the fluids you changed for analysis. The results could then assist in the next special operating conditions decision...
     
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