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Replaced spark plugs and now dead battery?

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by MisterB, May 27, 2013.

  1. May 27, 2013 at 8:19 PM
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    MisterB

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    2005 v6 replaced spark plugs today. Unhooked the negative terminal while replacing plugs. Got it all buttoned up and battery just clicked at me angrily. Trickle charger did nothing so jump started it. Drove around the block and The gauges faded in and out. Parked it and now dead again :(

    What did I do? Not sure how old the battery is but gave me no symptoms of death til today... Argh
     
  2. May 27, 2013 at 8:25 PM
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    Sounds like your alternator is taking a dump
     
  3. May 27, 2013 at 8:26 PM
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    Are you sure you disconnected the battery properly? sounds like a cross connection. Check your fuses & get a battery test.
     
  4. May 27, 2013 at 8:30 PM
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    Just disconnected the negative side and not the positive. I can check with a multimeter.

    What volts should it be at running? Not running? If alt is going will the volt fluctuate when the truck is idling?
     
  5. May 27, 2013 at 8:55 PM
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    Should be around 12V not running and near 14V running. The fact that the gauges were fading in and out points to a bad alternator.
     
  6. May 27, 2013 at 8:59 PM
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    When my battery died it did so with zero warning, jumped it to make it home, the guages and lights dimmed during the drive, i also thought the alternator, but i swapped in a new battery after checking TW and its been fine for a year
     
  7. May 27, 2013 at 9:02 PM
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    Yes, gauges dimming could also just be from the alternator straining to charge the dead battery. If the battery is as old as the truck, its definitely time for a new one
     
  8. May 27, 2013 at 9:27 PM
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    no multimeter? you would know right away.
     
  9. May 27, 2013 at 9:33 PM
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    Thanks for all the help! I'll check with the multimeter in the morning and report back...
     
  10. May 28, 2013 at 4:31 AM
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    Did you check to make sure the connections on both the Pos and Neg are Clean and Tight?

    Do that.

    Question. Why did you disconnect the battery to change the spark plugs for gods sake? I have to know.
     
  11. May 28, 2013 at 6:09 AM
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    It's smart thing to disconnect battery every time there is work on electrical components.
     
  12. May 28, 2013 at 7:26 AM
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    A 12 volt batter has 6 cells. Each cell should carry a charge between 2.1 and 2.2 volts. A fully charged battery should have a specific gravity reading of 1.625 and read around 12.7 volts at 100%
    at 75% charge 12.4 volts
    50% charge 12.2 volts
    25% charge 12.0 volts
    Discharged battery 11.9 volts

    These readings should be checked after the battery has been setting for 30 minutes to an hour after any charge otherwise you will get a false reading showing it charged higher then it really is.

    Proper alternator voltage output should read between 13.5 and 14.8 volts. There may be some slight variations ( plus or minus .5 volts) in those readings but that range is an average safe range. Much lower and it will not keep a charge and much higher and possible damage to the battery or to some instruments in the vehicle could occur.

    Now about removing the negative connection. Yes that is the one that should always be removed. Electric from the battery travels from neg. to pos. not pos. to neg. so disconnecting the neg. is what needs to happen to keep any short circuit from happening.
    Now as to what happened in your case. There are several possibilities. One is that the connection is not tight. Another is the terminal needs cleaning or if this is a pre-molded wire and terminal many times the connection breaks inside where it has been pre-molded and when removed and handled and can cause this kind of thing. That would require a new cable or cutting off the old terminal and replacing it with a bolt on terminal if the cable is long enough.

    Also your alternator or battery could have failed at the moment you were doing the work with no fault of your own. It does happen just ask any mechanic who has been blamed for something failing that they never worked on.

    Last but not least. It is never wise to use your alternator to charge a dead battery. That requires the alternator to work at its max capacity for too long and can shorten the life of the alternator due to excessive internal heat. When I purchase a new battery I always do a full charge on it before hooking it up to the vehicle to be sure the alternator is not being over worked.
     
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    haha....i thought that too.

    very rarely do i disconnect the battery for anything, defiantly not for a spark plug change.

    if i'm jumping someone, i will pull the fuse for the amp
     
  14. May 28, 2013 at 8:40 AM
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    Great way to possibly fry something you actually need, like an ECU. Accidents happen, and voltage (like water) will take the path of least resistance.

    I don't remember what I was working on when I had my Tundra, but I do know I didn't disconnect the battery. Fried some connection at a junction box that worked my actual headlights. Took a Toyota Master Technician two days to trace and fix.

    For one bolt and the cost (free) the question shouldn't be why do it, it's why not do it? Any electrical shit I do now, that battery gets it's negative terminal disconnected.
     
  15. May 28, 2013 at 8:52 AM
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    At first I did not disconnect it. Then I had a feeling that I should. Now I see how much good it actually did :/ however who knows the damage I may have caused had I not removed the terminal. DIY is always an experience to say the least. Will check volts and terminals this am!
     
  16. May 28, 2013 at 11:26 AM
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    Battery reads 9.6 and not a chance that will start the truck. I'll try a new battery or a charge to start
     
  17. May 28, 2013 at 11:31 AM
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    9.6 is a goner. not many trickle chargers will bring one up from that.

    i bet a new battery fixes everything, and it was just a strange coincidence. i also disconnect the negative cable when i do my spark plugs. just a habit at this point.
     
  18. May 28, 2013 at 11:54 AM
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    yeah i would say the battery is shot ! before you replace the battery i would for sure get the truck running and test the out put of the alt.. that way you don't take the chance of frying the alt and the new battery !
     
  19. May 28, 2013 at 2:53 PM
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    Jump started it again and the alt was charging at 13.9 ish. Turned truck off and within two minute the battery reads 7.5 death with no return!
     
  20. May 28, 2013 at 3:17 PM
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    Ur gonna kill that alt.
     

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