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Morimoto 2stroke 3.0 or HID

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by ToyoTX85, Aug 1, 2022.

  1. Aug 1, 2022 at 1:23 PM
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    ToyoTX85

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    Could you guys recommend me one of these 2 options Morimoto 2 stroke 3.0 or morimoto HID 35w kit , I can't get the OEM leds so it boiled down to these 2 options .I am trying to see the success or failure with these 2 setups .


    Thanks
     
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    I had the 35W 4000k HIDs in my 2017. They were very nice.

    https://www.theretrofitsource.com/h11-morimoto-elite-HS-H11
     
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    Taco_Coma

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    HIDs will always blow that type of LED bulbs out of the water
     
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    I have the 3.0 and love them. Want to get them in the fog light too. I cannot compare to the HID though.
     
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    Do you have some pictures ? I have look but not much info here about the 3.0
     
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    Lots of info in post #3897 here:
    https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/3rd-gen-hid-vs-led-vs-halogen-h11-projector-headlights.589465/page-195#post-24728699

    The Morimotos are the best focused LEDs on the market and the ones I would recommend if set on drop in LEDs, however a halogen H9 low beam swap easily outperforms them, while costing less than $20. While brighter, HIDs are not recommended, the uplight allowance of a halogen projector is not designed for HIDs are will cause illegal levels of blinding glare to oncoming drivers. To properly run HIDs you need a retrofit with an HID projector, preferably an OEM grade unit with proper D2S bulbs.
     
  7. Aug 1, 2022 at 7:39 PM
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    That was not my experience.
     
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    Thats because most don't know what to look for. Pull up to a wall at night with your headlights on, you'll notice 2 very brightly lit boxes above your cut offs that are supposed to be somewhat subtle. They are not with HID, they are way over the legal compliance for uplight which blinds other drivers. Even a basic H9 swap pushes the bounds on the uplight allowance, HID pushes it way over the edge. You need a proper HID projector which is calibrated to HID output to run HIDs. No-one would legitimately recommend putting HIDs in a halogen projector, other than vendors trying to make a buck. And no reputable lighting manufacture makes HIDs for halogen assemblies, not Philips, Osram, or Tungsram, only aftermarket made in china companies.
     
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    As I already stated, that was NOT my experience back in 2017. I did look carefully at the cut lines and pattern. Nobody ever flashed their brights at me over the course of 12 months. I no longer have my before and after photos, or the truck. So the proof is gone.

    But since we are on the subject, there are a shit ton of vehicles on the road that are way out of “compliance”. A bunch are stock cars, suvs and trucks. Another are the group of folks that have modded suspensions and non stock light systems.

    I think it’s great you are providing the information. People need it. But the police don’t give a damn. The problem is pervasive and out of control in DFW.
     
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    So your solution is to contribute to the problem instead of heeding sound advice from someone who knows what they're talking about?
     
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    Do someone have pics of the morimoto 2 stroke 3.0 leds mounted on the tacoma headlight ? haven't found any good video only the one on TIKTOK
    of the headlight revolution in a single tacoma headlight .
     
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    Reading comprehension isn’t your best skill.
     
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    Do you think is best to choose the Morimoto $200 or the Hikari ultra being $ 71 I read your review and the plus on the morimoto on the temp but I live where there is no snow in the whole year
    and in the review they were really close .

    @crashnburn80
     
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    Morimoto all the way. While peak numbers are slightly higher with the Hikari, the Morimotos have better focus meaning the light pattern will more accurately mimic a halogen. The thickness of the PCB board causes loss of focus and the greater the thickness the greater the focus loss, which shifts the light pattern to less distance light and more foreground light, which is the exact opposite of what you want in a headlight. The Morimotos therefore do a better job in maintaining distance light and minimizing the foreground shift vs the Hikaris, meaning they work better. On top of that the sealed air cooling design and build quality is vastly superior on the Morimotos, whereas the Hikaris microprocessor fans are exposed in the engine bay and tend to fail around the 2 year mark. The Morimotos are the best replacement LED on the market, but again halogens in a halogen assembly will be superior.
     
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    Thanks for the information , I appreciate the help and your time to answer me.
     
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    Nope. They were the Morimoto HID’s from retrofitsource. It doesn’t matter much now. Sold that truck in early 2019 when I bought my Grand Sport.
     
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    Brand doesn't actually matter in this case. It is a basic optics issue. The uplight on the projector is designed to be compliant with a 1200 lumen halogen bulb. If you put a 3200+ lumen HID capsule in there, you end up with nearly 3x the light output, including nearly 3x the uplight above the cut off which is way beyond legal compliance and blinding to other drivers, regardless if they flash you. An H9 swap is 2100 lumens and depending on the H9 bulb can be just over the legal compliance in some cases. Human eyes are more sensitive to higher color temps vs lower color temps like halogen, so not only is the uplight increased almost 3x, the color temp is also increased with HID increasing the perceived sensitivity to the oncoming driver. An HID projector is calibrated for the increased output intensity and has the uplight calibrated to compliant levels with the brighter light source, while also being optically focused to the very different light source physics which is why an HID projector should be used with HIDs, not halogen projectors.

    LEDs on the other hand have a bit of the opposite problem, since the replacement LEDs fire to the side and the unit is not transparent like an HID capsule or halogen bulb, they obstruct the light going forward out of the center of the projector and don't shine any light in that specific direction, meaning uplight is vastly reduced from even a stock bulb, which isn't ideal either as uplight serves an important purpose to help see beyond the low beam cut off.
     
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    My wife was next to me as I see the Morimoto web page and she ask me why I don't get the special deal with the free 4banger fog lights for free since I also want to update the fogs
    and would be a better inversion having the fogs for free , temptations ........ o_O
     
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    Just going to throw this out there but my experiece with Morimoto hasnt been the greatest, Just yesterday the 2nd ballast on my kit failed (2 years in). The first one came DOA. One of their relays in the wiring kit also failed 6 months in. People rave about the company and quality. im just not seeing it in my personal experience
     
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    Are you the HID police?
     

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