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Looking at Michelin Defender LTX M/S vs Cooper Discovery AT3 4s vs Toyo Open Country AT2

Discussion in 'Wheels & Tires' started by Flyfishing, Mar 13, 2020.

  1. Mar 13, 2020 at 11:09 AM
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    Hello everyone I am looking at the Michelin Defender LTX M/S vs the Cooper Discovery at3 4s vs the Toyo Open Country At2 . My truck is stock 2.7 4 cyl.. so the ltx has a 70,000 mile warranty and the two sets of at tires have 65,000 miles .. so I am going to stay with the 245/75/16 size . And really wanted to know if I switch to one of the all terrain tires will my fuel mileage go down drastically or stay about the same ? Or if I am better off going with the highway tire ltx for better ride and longevity of tire. Thanks in advance
     
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    I will look those up now thanks
     
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    In my experience the all terrains will be slightly louder, slightly less in mileage, and a lot less in longevity. As to how much exactly depends a lot on how aggressive the tire looks.

    For a highway tire I do like the Michelins or the Toyo. I originally ran the Firestones that came on some 2016s stock and would avoid those at all costs now. I hated those things with a passion.
     
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    IN a 245/75/16 tire size, you will have 28 pounds (7 pounds per tire) more rubber rotating with the Toyo Open Country ATII tire than you will be with the Michelin LTX. So yes your mileage may drop around 1-1.5 miles per gallon depending on the driving you do. With the Coopers you will have 12 pounds more (3 pounds more per tire) than the Michelin LTX so I would expect less of a milage drop than the Toyo ATII tire.
    I downsized from 265/70R17 Dunlop AT20 tires and now have two sets of wheels in 245/75R/16. One set is Yokohama G056 tires and the other set is the Cooper AT3 4S tires. I can notice the mileage difference between the two sets of 245/75r16 sets. The Cooper tires are 3 pounds heavier and the rims I am using with them are also ~ 3 pounds heavier. So yes, it all adds up and it is slightly noticeable between the 16 sets, but both of these 16 sets are better than the 17 set that I was running with Dunlop tire as far as mpg.
    Your picture shows your truck in the mud. I got the AT3 4S tires for the winter and because I do use Forest Service roads when I go backpacking.
    Highway - Michelin LTX
    Mix - more towards the Cooper AT3 4S
    More BLM/Forest Service roads then towards the Toyo ATII.


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  6. Mar 13, 2020 at 11:45 AM
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    those are quality tires Made in Japan, very good all around and seem to be wearing very well, cant beat the price
     
  7. Mar 13, 2020 at 11:53 AM
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    Well I have the stock hankooks Rh 12 with 42,000 miles on them and I rotate them every 5 k and they seem to be wearing faster on the outer part of the tire and some on the inner most part of the tires and there are some high and low spots on the tire . I don’t haul any trailers or anything like that . I just don’t think they will go to 70k as they are advertising on the website . 95 percent of my driving is on the highway or city .. I do hunt and fish and wanted a little more bite for wet grass and a little mud .. but being a 4 cylinder this truck already does not have a lot of power lol .. but the fuel mileage is great . So now I am thinking I need to stay with a high way tire over the all terrain tires .. thank you to every one who has replied to this thread.
     
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    yeah I agree I have the 2.7l and its my daily driver I wouldn't use a AT tire or bigger sized tire than the P245 highway tread, if your having wear on the outside edge of the tires you need to have the Camber adjusted properly especially if your rotating every 5k miles, its the front end alignment>camber
     
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    I agree with BillSR5, likely need an alignment. Also be sure to look at the UTQG rating for the tires you are considering.
     
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    So what does UTQG stand for ? I know some tires are 500-600. 700 - 800 . There is no play in the steering and the truck drives in a straight line going down the road.. but i will get it looked at .
     
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    If youll explore the technical sections of Tire Rack.com you'll find great explanations for all tire symbols, how to read dates, etc. Worth the time if that stuff matters to you.

    Buy for 90% of your mileage.

    If that's street the Defenders are a good choice.
     
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    I looked at it and I now l is what I ab liking as far as the different numbers thanks
     
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    The Michelin has a good UTQG rating - 800AB.
     
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    Check out the Michelin at2 a little more aggressive then the defenders but still great mileage
     
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    Got myself some Michelin Defender LTX's the other day. These are amazing in every way. Been snowing for two days and I haven't needed 4wd yet. They were hella expensive but worth it. These are 275/65r18 on factory limited wheels. Two inch leveling lift in the front.

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    Michelin LTX Defender and you won't be unhappy.
     
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    Sammy, Do you by chance know the offset of the stock limited wheels you are running? I'm getting ready to put 18x9 Fuels on my son's 2016 TRD Sport with a 3" Superlift (3" front, 1.5" rear). I can get them with 0 or -12 offset and am wanting to run 270/65/R18s. Just don't want any rubbing and would prefer not to trim. Not sure which offset to get on the wheels and if the tires will work. Any thoughts appreciated. I'm pretty new to the Taco world.
     
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    Not 100% sure. This is the only thing I could find on the web which says 25mm

    https://www.hubcaphaven.com/p/8743/...Zyhc4nnwAvhHqgDzsCTrYG6avf4Ahwd8aApQZEALw_wcB
     
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