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LED 20" Light Bar Review.

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  1. Jul 10, 2015 at 6:05 PM
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    There is a lot of focus around LED lights now days, and a lot of fuzzy information. For example, many folks see an LED light, on Ebay, or Amazon, and figure that, since it says it uses "Cree" LED's, that it must be just as good as a higher priced light, of the same size. Obviously construction is going to play a role in the cost. Most common is cast/extruded aluminum. Some, such as Heretic, use Billet Aluminum simply as a marketing tool, but at a higher cost. The quality of the Aluminum used may play a part in price, but I don't have the ability to compare material make up, so Im going to give my findings based on my own research.
    First, there is more to an LED than just a name. Simply stating a light is a "Cree" LED is kinda like saying "I bought a Ford...". Well......Which Ford? Truck? Car? Tractor? You don't know.
    Most lights off Ebay, or Amazon from a "No name" manufacture, use a Cree Xlamp MX-6. Its a bargain emitter, and puts out a decent light, but doesn't have the "throw" of a better emitter. The higher up you go in emitters, up goes the cost. When you look into the actual components that make up these less expensive lights, the more you find that you get what you pay for. However, in some cases, you DONT get what a manufacture may be charging you for. Ive put together a few light bars, and did a couple tests to see whats what. Here we go.......All the lights are the same "Driving Beam" pattern.
    This is the area of street I did the test on:

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    First, a higher quality Chinese light, advertised at 8500 lumens output. You get a glass lens, and decent quality. A single reflector sheet is used, and it has an IP67 rating for water/dust intrusion.

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    The light has a good beam pattern, and a pretty wide spread of light up close. at 140 feet, It registered 435 Lux. A good light, but doesn't have the "throw" of a higher priced Light bar. Im not listing a price, as the prices are all over the map. You get a 1 year warranty most of the time, but good luck if you have to use it.

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    Next up, is the KC Hilites C20. Using Cree XBD LED's, its rated at 10,800 Lumens output. It uses a Lexan lens, and is IP67 ratted for water/dust intrusion. It uses a single piece plastic lens, with a nice Black cover over the exposed chrome parts, to give a cleaner look.

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    Light has a nice beam, with a little more throw than the Chinese light bar, albeit less flood up close. At 140 feet, it registered 510 Lux. MSRP is $523.58, and it has a "23 Year" warranty. However, if you open it up, the warranty is void. Sadly, the light is mostly made from parts imported from China.

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    Last, is the Baja Design 20" OnX6. Rated at 12,900 Lumens, and Using Cree XM-L2 LED's, they are near the top of the LED food chain. The light uses thicker material, screws and is much better sealed, and rated at IP69 for water/dust intrusion. More importantly, something that people don't think about, is that the wiring is rated for submersion as well. The Lexan lenses are user changeable, and doing so doesn't void the Lifetime warranty. MSRP is $769.95, and its mostly made in USA.

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    The light has a beam that doesn't photograph well. However, please notice the amount of visible objects off to the sides. The side illumination is stellar. Not only did this light out distance the other 20" bars, but it out distanced my entire light set up I had mounted. No combination of lights could illuminate further than 1/4 mile, however, this light not only did, but it clearly illuminated the side of a building that was at the end of the street. Photos couldn't pick it up, but I was surprised. If you look close, you can see that about everything was illuminated down the street. At 140 feet, it registered 795 Lux.

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    In the end, looking at a few things, I thought of this:
    Warranty. Users ability to change lenses. Construction. Light output. And where predominately made. Considering these, the Baja Design light is clearly superior.



    Special thanks to ColtsTRD for the help, and input during this review!












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  2. Jul 10, 2015 at 7:57 PM
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    Sorry folks....didn't know it was locked. :oops:
     
  3. Jul 11, 2015 at 12:24 AM
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    This is good to see the differences, I have been thinking of a 42-44" light bar for the roof of my one toy but have hesitated to buy the "china" brands. I also dont see any need for me to have a $2,000 light bar either though since I'm not a professional racing across the desert at night in the triple digits lol. I'm looking mainly for low speed trail work and possible use for a work lamp when working outside house or at camp etc.

    I do have one or two questions immediately come to mind, first would be does the china bar you used have flood pattern sections at all or are they all spot/driving? usually even the cheapies have very easy to see flood reflectors but I dont see them with yours. I know you said you put together all driving style lights but the KC and Baja bars both clearly have the "fluted" style reflectors that should give a wider flood pattern. The one other is weight, I'm not saying they need to be sledge hammers to be quality but with many things you can get a feeling of their build quality with the heft something has.
     
  4. Jul 11, 2015 at 12:37 AM
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    Thanks and excellent review, It's very insightful. I have been wondering about those Chinese lights
     
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    Cool man.. Thanks for putting in the time. I know I'm happy (although I wish I would have gone with the DOT Rigid Cubes instead of the D2's). I love the light output but I'm limited to when I can use them.

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    I didn't have the means to get an accurate weight of the bars. The Chinese light I used was a Spot/Flood combo. The KC light uses a "diffused" reflector, while the Baja Design light uses the actual lens to give the desired light pattern. As for determining a light, With this review, I personally found that you don't need a 40" or 50" bar to get clean useable light. For one thing, Overhead bars give a shit load of glare from the hood, negating any distance vision you need at night. Yeah, they can put out a lot of light, but the glare kills your vision. Personally, Ive built my lighting system based on friends who have actually run night challenges, or events. Auxiliary lighting near eye level, giving peripheral illumination, with the distance light coming from the front. This gives no glare off the hood, and allows for my distance vision to be un affected.
     
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    The Chinese lights can be surprisingly good compared to KC, but you don't get build quality, ability to change the lenses, IP69 rating, or warranty. Those things are enough to justify the extra cost in my eyes.
     
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    @chris4x4 how are you measuring the lux?
     
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    Nice write-up.
     
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    What was the wattage of the emitters? You kinda compared apples to oranges. The two first ones most likely had 3 or 5 watt emitters (being double row) the last, I'd guess 10 watts? More than the emitters themselves, the shape and depth of the reflector determines "throw". Of course the lens/diffusers (if any) plays a role as well.
     
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    I use a calibrated light meter from a photographer friend of mine. I can get the name if you like.
     
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    It's all right. I always thought manufacturer claims of lumen output was just random numbers they put together some how. If you have the lux, watts and amperage you could get a good idea of the lumen output.
     
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    Total watts of the bars were:

    Chinese bar = 120
    KC C20 = 120
    BD = 126

    The Baja Design bar has a 6 watt advantage. Not enough to create that large of a gap in output. However, the quality/bin of the LED, driver board, reflectors, and lens affect total light output. BD claims to be the only manufacture that drives their LED's at the advertised wattage.
     
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    It would be nice for someone to run even more lights. I have Rigids (let the hating begin) because I didn't know a thing about LED's when I started. After reading all the stuff I could find, I thought they were the best. I'd love to find a cheaper alternative that had the same output. Maybe Vision X.
     
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    In most cases, they take the gross lumen ratting of a single LED, then multiply it by how many LED's they have. Then give that as the output. KC Hilites actually posts their findings in a PDF. The BD bar calculated out to be closer to 14,000 lumens than the 12,900 claimed. Kinda like underrating an engine. Its nice to see the numbers on paper, but a bonus to see they actually outperform whats advertised.
     
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    The VisionX is a good light, however, they are rated about half of what the BD bar is.
     
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    Really?! I only know the name from the Icon branded trucks (http://icon4x4.com/). I figured if a guy that pays attention to every detail used them, they must be good. Very disappointed in the KC. I want to like them because that's the first off-road light I ever owned. Anybody test the Heretic lights?
     
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    Unfortuneatly with the chinese bars flooding the market at usually 1/4 the cost of a higher name brand (rigid, vision x, BD) I can imahine how hard it is to keep business going good when you can buy 6 - 50" chinese bars for the cost of 1 rigid. It's not a surprise they are using mostly chinese parts to keep costs down to compete.
     
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    I'm willing to pay for quality if I can afford it. Sometimes you find a really good cheaper alternative.
     
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