Is 2nd Gen overvalued?

Here's the story,
3rd Gen Tacomas never growed in me, and after seeing a couple new 4th gen tacos, I feel something weird in the driving position, and not even talk about what they did to rear sit, it is actually feels shorter there, nor even talk we have to wait and see how reliable 2024 will be.
The thing is that I've been searching for 2015 4x4 tacomas and they are priced around 29000 with under 100K miles.
What is a good price for a well maintained 2015 inder 100,000 miles.
Is 2nd gen the overall best Tacoma, or I'm just emotionally attached to 2nd gen.

 

Yes second gens are over valued.

Every Tacoma is overvalued regardless of gen.

All used vehicles are over valued.

What’s fair value doesn’t matter. Pay what you think is fair. Values vary widely depending on location.

In my area you can expect to pay 25/30+ for a 100k 2nd gen. More than what I paid when I bought mine w/ 30k years ago.
If I sold mine today I could still get what I paid for mine 6 years ago. Highway robbery.

Used 3rd gen’s are going for equal to or greater than price of buying new.

 

2nd gen V6 is an old simpler proven design. No super/turbo charger. Port injection not direct injection. Realistic to expect 200k miles out of the engine. 300k is not totally unthinkable.

 

I just wish they had not gone with a throttle by wire design.

 

Your search criteria are being too restrictive. Normal usage is about 10k miles per year. There are very few 2nd gens under 100k miles, because most are 10+ years old.

 

That's a decision made 22+ years ago. I read even the last 1st gens had throttle by wire - the gas pedal cable went to the throttle body and terminated at a TPS, but didn't mechanically connect to the butterfly valve.

On the other hand, throttle by wire means you can get a tune like OTT or KDMax and alter the throttle response to your liking. I have OTT9 on my 5th gen 4Runner. Even on the 4Runner's "better" 4.0L, the tune made a noticeable difference.

 

/me checks watch & calendar.

Yep, it's Friday.

 

I'm going to have to disagree with you here.

It's realistic to expect 300K out of a well-maintained, 2007-or-later 2nd gen. ('05-'06 had a known head-gasket issue.)

400K+ is known to happen often enough as well.

 

That is true about the tune. I just come from the old Mercedes Diesel land, we had linkages for days. I just prefer less electronics in the way of failure. I could fix a linkage with a decent stick and twine if necessary.

 

figure out what they cost. Mine was not that much. But it’s also pre facelift and had above that miles. National average is probably 10k mi per year.

not sure if there’s a point to facelift.
Pre facelift:
-looks good
-steering wheel easy to grab
-less electronic Nannie’s
-bigger headlight reflector bowls
-early ARB bumper fitment has better clearance
-no SAI
-supposedly less exhaust monitoring
-newer means paying more for cheap weak stock parts everyone replaces

 

But that's the thing, you were always fixing it

When's the last time you had to fix the throttle body on your truck?

 

sure there are a lot of 2nd gens with less than 100k... but none for sale. those owners are the type that bought them with intent to keep them for life and try to keep mileage down to prolong their years of ownership

my 2015 is 74500 right now, but i bought it with intent to keep if for life and expect to maintain and replace aging parts and have no major failures and it last out beyond 250K and maybe even longer than 300K+ but thats just it, the well maintained trucks and low mileage exist because those owners, again, are the ones who bought them with intent to never sale..... the parting of owner and truck will only happen due to death of vehicle.

however i will say this. i have an issue that many owner like me are having the same MAJOR failure of a component and thats ...the paint ...... the clearcoat .... its delaminating from the base coat ... its probable likely cause for this high rate of premature failures is chemical bond failure because the factory probably didnt always observe the maximum wait time between laying the base color and then the clearcoat for them to adhere to each other that the paint manufacturer would have set as recommended min and max time between layer application. . It happens at around 7 years / 70000 miles with is usually right at when the longest of the warranty options expire........ how convenient is that to use materials that happen to now fail majorly at a high percentile of vehicles just after the warranties expire.

sounds to me like production cost were reduce in favor of cheaper quality paint or maybe just poor quality control where they sometimes waited too long on select batches of vehicles all being painted the same color (there are batches of trucks in various colors) that are having this issue.. the base coat likely cured too much or like shift change occurs or end of day came about ... before the 2nd stage layer of clear could be applied and given a chance to grip and chemically bond to the base color before they both dry

regardless of any attempt or what action or cost you took or spend during its life since you bought it new

and you know damn well they did accelerated aging tests on everything from speeding up long engine life to see when major components would fail to aging the paint by controlled testing to assimilate the aging it would experience prior to failing majorly


they fricken knew and should be held liable due this not be a occasional lemon here or there but a huge number of vehicles and seemingly like its certain batches of them and select colors that it happens to and all those that got lucky and have a good batch truck, think the people with bad paint just didnt take care of their vehicle

 

A clean 2013 DCSB Baja with a supercharger with 129K miles just sold for under $20K on Cars And Bids.

A super clean TX Pro with 134K miles just sold on TW that was priced at $24,500.

There is also a clean 2015 4X4 Access Cab, 117K miles with an asking price of $20,500 on sale in the TW 2nd Gen section.

IMHO all three of these trucks are priced very good. Im actually surprised that the supercharged Baja went for so low.

 

i personally would NOT buy a used supercharged tacoma nor supercharge mine.

the whole reason the 1GR-FE VVT engine has such a long life and can go high mileage is that they purposely derated it so the concept of less stress = longer life applies...


you want to shorten the life of your 1 GRFE engine ? ( when i saying you im not referring to any names or previous comments... i am say you generically, hypothetical person meaning anyone pondering this) and if you dont care to reach 200, 250 or even 300k + miles, then supercharge it... you defeat the purpose,

everyone that knows anything about these engines knows that even without supercharging, the factory could have made them have higher output but they opted to derate them for gain of longer life


if i want speed , and power im not gonna waste time nor money nor face embarrassment trying get power or a acceleration speed thrill from a tacoma, respectfully, i drive my 1973 porsche rsr twin plug 9300 rpm race car or my 68 corvette ,

my truck is for reliable long range road trips ...its not a race car. its got more than enough gas to pass power and can even accelerate while weight is at camping gear loads at high altitude and up a freeway pass and it doesnt need more power.....especially at cost to fuel economy. but hey to each their own opinion, not critiquing anyone personally and havent i objected to anyones posts or opinions, instead ... im just adding my opinion to the trucks shown listed by the person that merely showed some examples for sale and why i wouldnt pick one of them... and suggesting why it probably went for a lower price. stressed engine

the again i have to respect that some people have just one vehicle and that vehicle is their only everything does all vehicle.

 

You can spend 29 grand and drive that truck for the next 20 years if you maintain it, plus your insurance is going to be cheaper.
My 2013 still drives awesome, probably never trading it in.
I should have said initially as well to get the price down some!

 

many to pick from

https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/2010-dcsb-113k-original-miles-manual-4x4.825112/

-there are supercharged Tacomas. They have high miles
-it is not high boost high power
-supposedly it's overbuilt and able to handle it
-inadequate power means lugging
-stock vs. modded is apples to oranges. 31" vs 35"
-if the motor blows, throw in another. They're not that expensive for anyone who has supercharger money. People have had them blow anyway
-plenty of other vehicle motors, when not designed by a toddler, last high miles with forced induction, running higher PSI.
-not to mention altitude

4runner dual VVT is not less reliable with more power. It cost them more to make.

 

they're "overvalued" because nobody wants to sell them. i'm never selling mine as replacing it would either be a giant pain in the ass (years of effort with a huge amount of luck) to end up where i started, or i'd end up with a brand new $70k truck which i don't want. i would turn down any offer someone would actually make, because i simply don't need the money and i really like my build.

there is something to be said about buying the vehicle you actually want the first time around. same with mods. buy the shit you ACTUALLY want! if one shows up do not hesitate to buy it. you snooze, you lose.

lmao @ the guy who would never supercharge a tacoma. it's an OEM or equivalent upgrade and the 1GR ain't exactly rare or special. rock it 'til the wheels fall off. again, do it right the first time with the proper injectors and ECU program.

 

Heh, heh, heh.

It's up to 3400 now.

 

Nothing worse than the feeling of long term monthly truck payments once the newness wears off. It's tough to rid of a payment free 2nd gen truck that has been so reliable during ownership. Sure, it's been a very boring unchallenging mechanical life with simple oil changes, brakes etc.. but that's what my JKR is for.