FluidAmpr group buy

Need 100 people to get the ball rolling for FluidAmpr to R&D one for the 1GR-FE

post up let’s go

 

Can you point to a thread or any empirical data to confirm the OE damper is hindering functionality? Sounds like a solution in search of a problem at least as far as our Tacomas are concerned.

 

there’s plenty of positive feedback on the product all over the internet.

the quality of the product is why they exist.

We all know Toyota put cheap shit parts on our Tacoma.
which continues with the 4th gen where they didn’t even put longer control arms or locker(s).

The stock damper is a piece of rubber that can fall apart and is not very good. And cheap, before dealer parts depts mark up the fuck out of it.

FluidAmpr is metal, silicone filled, with an inertia ring. Actual design behind it. The best one on the market, and the only one.
What would you rather have?
Toyota doesn’t put things like that because they don’t have the money.
But owners do. It’s why we have upgraded headlights.

and at $300-400, that’s a decent price, considering that’s the amount people happily trash on step bars that generally shouldn’t exist.

So, what does it do? I’ll tell you, from experience knowing about it a long time, and having had it on a previous car.



It dampens. And dampens well. Better than stock. Yet another bulletproof strong high quality part to put on your truck.

Torsional vibration is the scientific term. From pulses of combustion. As the video and others state.

Now why is this relevant?
I will tell you how with my old car, and where the Tacoma is similar.


I had a Unicorn. That is what it’s called. Because it’s the best B6 and most rare.
avant/wagon (for practicality, looks, and better balance), 5V per cylinder 1.8Turbo I4 iron block, sport package with springs shocks bumpers and strut brace, 6-speed manual. Mechanical AWD (quattro) whose bias can be upgraded, and rear diff that can be made helical LSD. Throw on some good sway bars let alone suspension and you’re smoking everybody in a turn.

The engine is not the most balanced. Being I4. That’s why car companies later on put (unreliable) balance shaft(s).
V6’s do not escape this. See Mercedes.
V6 is only one step away from I4.

More balanced is things like opposing/boxer. Think Subaru flat 4, Porsche flat 6, V10, V8, V12.

On that Audi, removing the front end is very easy. Needed for room to work.
not on the Tacoma.
changed my pulleys by sticking my hands in there.

So on the Audi while I was in there for other shit like a timing belt, I installed FluidAmpr I got on a group buy.
difference was night and day.

Partly because I went away from the failure-prone dual mass flywheel (two piece) that slips and doesn’t give straightforward engagement, to the very popular single mass kit. Less dampening at the back.

On a crank, you have dampening at the front, and the back. Especially in a manual.
the back, is the flywheel. Which is part of why URD has a heavy one. A FluidAmpr would still yield benefit with that, or more so stock. Without a lot of labor to put one.

That car, was not the smoothest at low RPM. Not the most usable. FluidAmpr made it way better.

My Tacoma feels the same way. And low RPM here is even more important. Because this truck is mapped to provide instant torque.
Off roading. Starting off. Driving efficiently. I can think of so many times this truck is low RPM.
usability and control. Consistent RPM. Predictable RPM swings. FluidAmpr helps that too.
it’s a benefit you would feel all the time.

Look I can ask their engineering people if they think it would benefit. Hell if I was local and could loan them my truck to R&D, I would.

If they made it, I’d buy it. And if there’s a benefit, I’d enjoy it. Without caring who else does.

But unfortunately, for them to justify R&D cost, they’ve told me they’d need 100 people interested. Which really I don’t think is that hard to find.

I’m sure at some point the stock damper will wear out. Don’t even wanna know what crap price Toyota will want for that hockey puck. I’d rather replace it with an actually good part.

I’ve worked on cars professionally including V8 twin turbos that, stock, make a lot of power. And here is what I saw after 2 things. 1. Studying their manuals, 2. Working on them
I saw they too, switched to a FluidAmpr
What does that tell you about it’s benefit, that even more balanced V8’s (which are definitely more balanced than a V6) have also gone to them

less vibration means less wear.

Stock there is generally a feeling of shaking. Not major. Here is when:
-coasting down to a low RPM, makes you want to pop out into neutral to smoothen
-“lugging” (when really, you’re just a little low on RPM)
Etc
In my experience, FluidAmpr makes that go away.

I think it would also make a clutch last longer. Because there wouldn’t be any shaking interfering with your feel of shifting.

Or if I can figure out an adapter I would definitely try to put one on.

im not gonna spend an hour on their website catalog but I’m sure they already make them for other 6cyl engines (aka a necessity)

why hasn’t it been made yet for the Tacoma? Here’s why.
People with other cars pushing them want good stuff. That’s it.

but on the Tacoma lots of people piss in the gas tank and smile about it.
But not everyone is like that. Some people actually do want cool shit. Like lockers, crawlbox, etc

and attaching all that is still hooked up to your V6. Unless you swap it which is rare.
Might as well make the most of what you have, whether you’re supercharged or not.

and, supposedly it frees up some power. On the car I had it, I feel like it did. no regrets.

And speaking of less dampening provided by a single mass flywheel, guess what kind of flywheel the Tacoma uses? Single mass
So this is a way to get better damping, in a good way. A DMF would not be a good way.

And, these trucks we depend on to work. Out on a trail somewhere or whatever. Not just back and forth in a city.

FluidAmpr gained 12whp on a VW. With my stock unmoddable V6 I wouldn’t mind that.

it depends on who you’re talking man. Walk outside, look at the road, watch some guy bounce on by factory shopping cart shocks step bars never been off road. Is he gonna care about a good damper? He doesn’t know how to spell damper, where to find it, or what it is.

there is a lot of info out there on it.
Now, does the torque converter dampen more on an auto taco? I don’t know.
Mine is manual. I’d say that’s probably a big reason for lack of R&D on making a version for the Taco. Although other models have this engine (FJ, Runners)
Because if you took ever manual 2nd genner and put them in a room, you’d probably have 3 people.
Maybe FluidAmpr has enough success to where they don’t need the extra business that’d probably benefit the consumer more than them.

I don’t have an iron block to be cool with wear.
Making the engine run like butter isn’t just nicer on the street and traffic, but also towing or getting started moving off road. Having the engine happy to sit at any RPM and keeping it there, feeling it, and controlling it.

That’s what I can tell you for now trying to come up with a quick response on my phone.

 

Quite the word salad you’ve spewed out with lots of dubious claims but still not showing me evidence a problem exists with the current OEM damper. Our 2nd gens are already some of the most reliable and long lasting trucks on the planet, this new damper is going to improve on that?

 

It may very well be a good vibration damper..... it damps (quells) vibrations but it does not dampen anything.

Unless it fails and silicone fluid leaks out and dampens (wets) whatever it touches.

Yeah, that may be nitpicking, but if one is making a lot of claims, let's at least stick with correct terminology.

As for me, I won't spend 25 minutes watching a video claiming to fix a problem that I'm not at all sure exists.

 

I think so.
There’s vehicles from the same year, same mileage also on the road today
running better because of the product

these trucks are still on the road because
1. People upgrade them
2. People maintain them (it takes work)
just like any other old vehicle on the road

FluidAmpr is metal encased welded shut, I don’t think it would ever fail. Vs a stock damper with rubber that eventually will fail.

that’s just one recent video on it. There’s many out there.
I know in my case having had good experience owning a FluidAmpr I don’t need the above video at all to know it’s good.

 

Still no evidence of an existing problem. Got it, thanks.

 

I’ve gotta side with tt1, on this. The 2.7 turbo boys need this but that’ll never come.

 

how am I supposed to measure that?

slap on a FluidAmpr that doesn’t exist to compare before and after?

I see they’re already going bad on 5VZ-FE V6
when that time comes why not replace it with something better



If I was the Guinea pig and noticed no difference I’d be happy to admit

1. it’s like $300-400
compared to $2k to put Sherpa racks on the shell and roof or something, that’s nothing
or the labor saved DIYing your own front end maintenance already being in that area (water pump pulleys etc)

if I could wave a magic wand to make one exist, send it to you for testing to compare before/after and hopefully be a noticeable upgrade, I would.

 

Literally not a failing part on the tacomas, the frames are gonna rust to shit before the balancer fails.... Don't see any reason to put it onto a truck, if you're looking for smoothness you're driving the wrong vehicle...

 

I'm only buying one if it comes with a cool sticker for the back window

 

I believe they do come with stickers

 

I wanted this a long time ago. I ended up getting the other brand that I cannot remember right now. Lol.

 

ati

 

Rattler

 

This one!

 

Not needed.

 

The last 5vz rolled out in the US in early 2004, nearly 20 years ago. ~19 years out of a constantly rotating part is a pretty good run me thinks. I get wanting something like this product, but at the slow stock speed these engines are limited to without top end building it seems like a solution in search of a problem. The harmonics produced at lower RPM by these engines are plenty in control by the cheap (in comparison) OEM harmonic balancer. As evidence many are lasting into the 400,000mi range without any main or rod bearing failure.

 

page 17

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2020/MC-10172005-0001.pdf

If FluidAmpr is not needed, then why is it coming stock on a more balanced V8



same here, page 15

https://content.datarunners.net/content/SSP/920223.pdf

 

Looks pretty awesome.