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Ditch lights, spot or flood?

Discussion in 'Lighting' started by super_white, Oct 30, 2020.

  1. Oct 30, 2020 at 2:29 PM
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    super_white

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    I installed ditch light brackets but wasn't sure if I need spot or flood pattern lights.

    Any ideas? I also wanted clear not amber.
     
  2. Oct 31, 2020 at 8:56 AM
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    Ideas? Lots..

    I use spot and yellow lenses. Mine are for distance in snow. I’ve got other lights for close by.
     
  3. Oct 31, 2020 at 9:49 AM
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    There are dual combo pods that have both patterns
     
  4. Oct 31, 2020 at 9:50 AM
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    I would go spot, but if you can, driving is the way to go
     
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    What direction do you plan to aim them? Straight ahead or to the ditch? Which light pattern also depends on brand to some extent.
     
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    Driving pattern...

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    Between spot or flood, flood. What are you using them for?
     
  7. Oct 31, 2020 at 4:33 PM
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    You'd have to toss answers in on the questions that @crashnburn80 asked. However, with no clarifying information and only those 2 options for pattern I vote Spot all day long pointed dead ahead or pointed slightly out.

    Also, your budget or brand affiliation (if any) will dictate you options pool.
     
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    Why? If they're being used as auxiliary high beams, OK. but, for night time trail riding, flood or driving pattern is better, IMO.
     
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  9. Oct 31, 2020 at 5:05 PM
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    BUCKLE UP! It makes it harder for Aliens to pull you out of your Truck.
    Flood in a cross pattern is what I used on my old truck
     
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    A true flood pattern is nearly useless when mounted on an A-Pillar (commonly referred to as a ditch light). Approx 30% of the output will be sent directly into the hood aka unusable entirely.
    Another 40% will be lost lighting up the nearest tree 40ft up. Might not be all bad if you are operating at very slow speeds and want a little bit of light on EVERYTHING.
    The rest will be providing a short range bath of light to everything in the near vicinity, but not giving you much (if any) more confidence at speed.

    A good rule of thumb is that the higher up on a vehicle you go the more you gravitate towards a spot pattern. There's specific use cases for everyone, but that's a ROUGH guide.

    Truth be told I rarely will recommend a flood pattern for forward projecting light. You can cover the "goal" of a flood light with other combinations of light.
     
  11. Oct 31, 2020 at 5:13 PM
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    Also... last small thing. Flood and Driving are DISTANT cousins in terms of light pattern. The verbiage gets blurry, especially when people are looking at (generally) cheaper components.

    I agree that both patterns can be great depending on their intended use/speed.
     
  12. Oct 31, 2020 at 5:14 PM
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    I have Rigid "Driving" right now, I think I'll go Flood or side ashooters next though and use these for back up lights in my new plate bumper though. I mainly use them for their implied name, lighting up ditches.

    I put mine on separate switches on the door sail panel so I can turn them on individually.

    I use them when looking for badly marked roads in the dark or when wheeling for making sure I don't go into the ditch, lighting up what is alongside me and just giving a wider field of view ahead, I wish they gave light out even further 90° to direction of travel.

    I have them mounted at a slightly greater than 45° angle from direction of travel and a few degrees down they pickup where my headlights drop off on the side sweep and thanks to the angle I can run the passenger side one without blinding oncoming drivers, I do this when I'm in the sticks for spotting animals on the shoulder without using my top mount bar.

    Works great!

    :thumbsup:

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    Not only is it unusable illuminating the hood, having a brightly light hood right in front of you harms your night vision, reducing your distance vision despite having more light. And when you turn them off your vision is actually worse than before you turned them on. Hence the aim and pattern pairing are both important.
     
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    I full agree with your other posts but ditch lights are for ditches if you need forward light get a top bar or bumper/grill mounted forward lights.

    Spots in ditch lights is a waste of money IMHO.

    I have one pair of spots and I ended up making them my tailgate lights as they're so tight a pattern and being only one 4 diode cube they're practically useless.
     
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    I plan on aiming them off to the side. I'm looking at the 2x2 pod lights from CaliRaised.
     
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    At what speed? At night??

    I have rigid D-SS ditch lights, and they're quite useful for me.

    I agree that every situation is different, though.

    I would look at the D-SS lights from rigid if it's in the budget. They're extremely useful. This is coming from someone who actually hits trails at night.
     
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    Okay, finally at a computer so I can hunt-and-peck instead of feverishly tap my phone screen :rofl: Also, I am happy to provide as much knowledge as I have and if we come away from this disagreeing that's okay with me too. :cheers:

    Let me get a clarifying point out of the way:
    • I answered "Spot" only due to the constraints that I was given of Spot vs Flood. Do I believe that that a spot pattern is the most advantageous pattern that could be mounted in the ditch light position? In most cases, that's a negative.
    So there's a bunch of different people we would be looking at here:

    Stock Guy
    • Stock headlights, stock fogs
    • Needs: Distance, width, intensity, pretty much everything...
    • Future plans with lighting: Nothing. Stay stock and add ditch lights.
    Upgraded Fogs Guy
    • Stock headlights, Upgraded fog lights (may or may not be legal)
    • Needs: Likely mid/long range distance
    Aftermarket Bumper Guy
    • Stock headlights, likely upgraded fog lights, and likely a 20-30" light bar
    • Needs (all dependent on patterns): Likely edge support between where the fog lights fall off, and where the spot pattern of the light bar doesn't extend to the sides

    My Personal Recommendations - I am going to assume that these individuals will not be adding anything later down the road aside from the ditch light addition, and I will only weigh in on products that I have personally had my hands on so that I can provide the most honest opinion possible having seen outputs, patterns, etc. Additionally, I will only be recommending ~4" square pods as there is a larger pool of applicants here:
    • Stock Guy - Baja Designs Squadron Pro (or sport) in a Driving/Combo pattern. This light will provide a nice mix of a lot of things. It will provide some more width as well as some more distance, both of which the stock truck is lacking. It doesn't have a laser focused beam anywhere and provides a clean array of light.
    • Upgraded Fogs Guy - This one's a little tougher. I'm personally torn between pointing a set of Diode Dynamics SS3s in a driving pattern out towards the ditches, or doing the same aiming with a set of Baja Designs Squadrons in a spot pattern, or Rigid Industries D2s in a Driving pattern. I am only choosing the spot pattern in the Baja Designs due to the fact that these lights do not stay super true to beam pattern. They tend to open up pretty quickly at distance. A spot pattern in a BD light will equate to a driving pattern (or even more open) with a Diode Dynamics, Rigid Industries, or KC light.
    • Aftermarket Bumper Guy - So this is where I might recommend a spot pattern. Especially the Baja Designs spot pattern. When aimed out ahead off the truck probably 60 yards that pattern will open up nicely and put a decent spread out there. It seriously all depends on where the owner finds that their current setup has weaknesses. They should have all of their primary bases covered.
    Just trying to point out that there is no "solution" for this light goes in this spot every time. As you've even seen yourself there are plenty of times where what you thought you were going to get just didn't make sense in that application. There's a ton of different manufacturers out there, and one pattern from Company A will not necessarily show up the same as the same named pattern from Company B.

    ...The ramblings of a madman continue...
     
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    ahh i miss the days when dad just said "point this flashlight where i tell you" now there's a million different lighting options
     
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    I have a hidden light bar from Cali Raised and now want ditch lights, almost ordered the LED Ditch Light Pods from Cali Raised tonight until I found this thread, @memario1214 what would you buy to augment the hidden light bar but illuminate the ditches in backwoods Mississippi? I have a 2020 with OEM LED headlights and fogs.
     
  20. Nov 1, 2020 at 3:49 PM
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    What pattern light bar do you have?
    Do you have any plans to upgrade your fog lights?
     

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