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Crankshaft position sensor relearn?

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by 691tacoman, Nov 22, 2021.

  1. Nov 22, 2021 at 7:08 PM
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    691tacoman

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    Hi guys, new to the forum. I have a 08 4.0 v6, 1gr-fe engine. It was giving me a p0335 code for the crankshaft position sensor. I changed it out but it still gives me the code. Does anyone know if the 2nd gens have to relearn after changing out the sensor?
     
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    Nope, not with Toyota.

    You may have a wiring issue.
     
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    You can verify the wiring somewhat with a multimeter but you need an oscilloscope to properly diagnose a cam or crank sensor problem.
     

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  4. Nov 23, 2021 at 5:07 AM
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    Thats unfortunate, I don't know the first thing about wiring.
     
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    What is an oscilloscope and where can I get one?
     
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    All feedback is greatly appreciated, thanks guys.
     
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    Not sure about the taco, at work when I get the code for crank or cam sensor, I replace both and that engine has a short harness I also replace. Never fails, replace one sensor, the other one fails, or the harness is bad.
     
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    Not sure about Toyota, but on some cars a crank/cam sensor error can be caused by bad timing such as bad/broken/stretched timing chain/belt or poorly operating vvt (bad enough to throw the timing off but not bad enough to throw a code itself), but if it's that it usually runs really bad or not start at all.
     
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    If you are asking this question, you probably need to take it to a shop that has the ability to troubleshoot this issue.

    https://www.tek.com/blog/what-is-an-oscilloscope
     
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    The first time I ever seen a scope was in this video.
    When it was all said and done, I found it very interesting.
    And at the same time, gained a lot of respect for todays Technicians.
    It take a small fortune just to start working on vehicles now days.

    BTW, I watched the wholes series, not just this one video.

    https://youtu.be/75ptVbCpkjk
     
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    It’s been years since I even heard oscilloscope mention. I think it was used for fine tuning back when you loosen and twist the distributor to set timing, gap the points and such.
     
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    It's a very common tool these days for intermediate to advanced technicians to use although it's more commonly referred to as a lab scope or automotive scope and you need a multi-channel one to do many tests.
    It's pretty much a required tool to diagnose many issues on modern vehicles unfortunately many shops, dealerships, and individuals still use the old "read a code, change a part" approach which while it works sometimes it can get quite expensive when it doesn't.
    The hard part is finding a shop that has the proper test equipment and techs with the knowledge to use it.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSr6k3htjKY
     
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    ScannerDanner has used cheap, handheld scopes in some of his videos. A Sainsmart handheld can be had for as little as $99 to about $150 for a 2 or 4 channel. No, it's not the greatest scope, has a somewhat limited bandwidth (but by and large enough for automotive use), and being handheld doesn't have much resolution, but it CAN do quite a bit when it comes to auto diagnostics since a scope is just a graph of voltage versus time. For example, it easily has enough power/resolution to see if an injector is operating correctly (I believe that's one of the things SD used it for).

    It's a cheap way of performing at least some testing and to wet one's feet on the use of a scope for automotive use. One disadvantage is being just a general pocket scope, it doesn't have any preset tests the way a dedicated automotive scopes (read much more expensive) have.
     
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    Neither has anyone else...
     
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    I have an old 2007 Buick Rainier (the Buick version of the Trailblazer). When the crankshaft sensor is replaced (on the 4.2L at least), a relearn procedure has to be performed. For GM it's called a C.A.S.E. relearn (for Cranshaft Angle SEnsor). I hate GM. At the time we just got it 4 snow days. Right now it's in the far end of the driveway because I have to replace the PS pressure hose (for the second time) - if you google it, it's a REAL PIA process.
     
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    I believe Jimmyh was referring to hearing about a sensor relearn on a second Gen.
    Never heard of it, because you can’t and don’t need to.

    And yeah, I’ve heard of the CASE. There’s no need in all this fancy relearn junk IMO.
    I believe you have to register the battery in some BWM cars now? WTF….really?
     
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    My two cents.

    Just took my truck in with this CEL/code. Nothing wrong with the sensor. Turns out a rat had chewed the wiring.

    So check the wiring harnesses for damage.
     

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