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Center Steering Wheel mess up Alignment?

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by TacoBell07, Oct 23, 2021.

  1. Oct 23, 2021 at 8:46 PM
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    TacoBell07

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    If alignment is not that much off and you adjust tie rods so steering wheel is straight again shouldn't the alignment be correct too?
    Taco is pulling to the left and wheel has to be slightly left to make the vehicle go straight. I thought this means i need to shorten or screw in the inner tie rod more on the right side of vehicle.
    Wouldnt this make the steering wheel straight again?
     
  2. Oct 23, 2021 at 8:58 PM
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    No, there is camber, caster, and toe.
    Depending on what the measurements are any of them can throw the alignment off. Not to be rude but don't try to do a alignment in your driveway eyeballing it.
     
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    Yeah, drop the $85 and have it done at a shop.
     
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    Too many (3) variables to diagnose without proper tools. Honestly, installing new gearing in a differential and alignment are 2 things I am ok not doing myself.
     
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    Yes you can make adjustments to the tie rods to correct the steering wheel but you have to adjust both equally and in opposite directions. Depending on what way the wheel needs adjusted you would run one in and the other out so the tires move in the same direction. That won’t correct whatever is causing your truck to pull though so you should probably go in for a proper alignment.
     
  6. Oct 24, 2021 at 5:17 AM
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    You are so very very extremely incorrect about how alignment adjustments are done.
     
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    lol nope have done lots of them. If ugly read the post I said adjusting the steering wheel wouldn’t fix his problem only that it’s possible to make adjustments if the wheel is of center but like I said that won’t fix other alignment problems. Your caster and camber. Or bent suspension components. Or a bent frame or any of the other things that can cause things to be out of spec.
     
  8. Oct 24, 2021 at 10:11 AM
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    Yoda thank you for some real input as it seems others do not or don't want to understand the concept behind getting alignment as close possible by adjusting toe themselves.
    I have all new ball joints upper and lower as well as upper and lower control arm bushings, new tie rod ends etc.
    My alignment was off before slightly but it was so little that by time tires were at 3/32 was when the uneven wear actually started to show.
    Now that i replaced tie rod ends Im trying to get it back as close as possible by making minor adjustments and testing.
    Before tie rod replacement the wheel had to be turned very slightly to left to maintain a straight track on the road. Now it is the same issue but worse than before.
    So i guess what im asking is you mentioned adjust both. So if i have a left tendency should I screw the left tie rod farther onto the inner tie rod (causing shortened overall length between spindle and inner tie rod)and on the right side then take and unscrew the right outer tie rod end from the inner tie rod thereby lengthening the overall distance from end of inner tie rod to the outer tie rod spindle attachment?
    If you shorten length on one side you must increase overall rod length on the opposite side? Is this correct concept?
    Any suggestions on youtube videos explaining this would also be appreciated, thanks.
    Addition: Easier question would be assuming everything else is correct but wheel has to be turned to left to go straight does this mean the driver side needs to be shortened and passenger side lengthened or vice versa?
     
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  9. Oct 24, 2021 at 10:38 AM
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    Center the steering wheel and use something to lock it down so it won’t move. The measure from center to center on the front tires front and rear Adjust toe till the measurements are the same will be close enough till you get to the alignment shop.
     
  10. Oct 24, 2021 at 11:19 AM
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    Short version, no. Steering wheel straightness has more to do with the thrust angle while other alignment angles can be off specs.
    A pull to either side is usually indicative of a tire issue or a caster angle out of spec issue. The tire issue can be easily verified with a tire inflation check and rotation, but a Caster issue, not so much. You may need professional alignment equipment for that.

    A slight drift to either side can usually be traced to camber, toe, low tire pressure, unequal tire wear, different tire brand on one side or Caster.

    If you’re a 20yr pro at wheel alignments, I’d say you can adjust toe/camber with relative ease and accuracy at home, but the Caster angle may require a great deal of time & trial/error to get it right without the aid of professional wheel alignment equipment.
     
  11. Oct 24, 2021 at 11:20 AM
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    This is where @$yoda$ is not making any sense, one sides toe could be perfectly on spec but the other side by out of spec, as such if you adjust both then you may be messing up the side that is correct. Each wheels adjustments is done separately, unless the alignment is completed by shifting the subframe, which would adjust left and right caster and camber.
    Toe does not cause a pull as such your caster/camber needs to be adjusted.
    What @gotoman1969 said will work for a rudimentary alignment before going to get a proper alignment completed, granted the alignment shop is not going to charge less just because you got it close.

    This is a ok video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obBVflwbHT8
    This is more detailed then need be but you can actually see what the adjustments are(I didnt watch the whole thing since its almost 30 minutes) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_FXVQ14Iis
     
  12. Oct 24, 2021 at 12:00 PM
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    Again you are misunderstanding. If done correctly the ONLY thing that will change is the position of the steering wheel. This would be done say if you just had an alignment everything drove perfectly and the only problem was the steering wheel being slightly off center. If any specs are off before you do this they will be off exactly the same after. Also I would only recommend a small amount of adjustment at the tie rod. Maybe 1/8 -1/4 turn. If you have an issue with the truck pulling or any other problem this isn’t going to fix it. All I said was yes it’s possible to adjust the steering wheel by adjusting the tie rods. For example if your wheel was turned a tiny bit to the left you would the turn one tie rod in and one out so both wheels moved slightly to the left. This will correct the steering wheel position without affecting the alignment. If you go to far then guess what. Your steering wheel will be off a little to the right. Ok my dudes? This is not for correcting alignment issues. It is only for small adjustments to the steering wheel itself. If that’s all the op wants to accomplish then it will get it done.
     
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  13. Oct 24, 2021 at 1:53 PM
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    I know the camber is off some due to the new control arm bushings. Anyone know the stock specs on camber alignment. I know some videos say put it at zero but if you know the spec then why not just set it since there's markings on the cam bolts?
    I thought if wheel was left the tires needed to be adjusted to point more right, shorten the left and lengthen the right, correct?
     

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