Backing up with bike rack in the hitch

Thanks - I have an Alta GPR which is great for 4 bikes, but is now too long to leave on and fit in the garage.

 

Blaming the parents and/or children so we don’t have to experience the minor inconvenience of turning off safety features is a fucking insane take.

 

It's called being responsible.

It's like mandating an alcohol ignition lock on all new vehicles which would be expensive and unnecessary. All because someone lost a loved one, and in this specific incident a child to an irresponsible drunk driver. Someone else who does not even drink why would their new car need an ignition interlock when they don't consume alcohol? That's not going to prevent drinking and driving or any accident related to the drinking and driving when that person does not drink at all.

Have you ever looked into pediatric vehicular deaths and the circumstances surrounding them? I would not be surprised if the majority of them occur at home in the drive way with more than one adult with in 500 feet of the accident.

 

The fact that kids die in driveways doesn’t mean we need to be “more responsible” so we can avoid using technology to help prevent those deaths. The minor inconvenience of turning off a system is worth it if it prevents those deaths.


Many people look at accidents as just black and white, single-cause events. Parents weren’t responsible=kid died, or kid wasn’t looking = got killed. That’s a very naive view of how accidents happen and how to prevent them in the future. Designing out the problem is ideal, but the absolute worst thing you can do is demand that you train failure out of the human in the system. That shit does not work.

accidents are complex chains of events, and just chalking it up to “the parents did poorly” or “the kid should have avoided the bumper” doesn’t fix the problem…largely because it doesn’t capture the reality of how accidents happen.

“it’s called being responsible” could also be “I accept that I must slightly inconvenience myself occasionally by turning off systems that are designed to protect a child from getting killed.”

 

What happens when people become reliant on saftey systems and those systems fail? I grow tired of bending over backwards and spending more money on technology because people can't exercise more caution.

Most industries that experience backing accidents have proceedures in place to mitigate backing accidents. Such as the use of a guide person, and getting out to see if it's all clear. Why can't people do that with or with out the aide of saftey systems.

 

Growing reliant upon technology is indeed an issue. But none of us know how to shoe a horse, manage a steam engine, or repair a wagon wheel anymore. Tech marches on, and we live in a new reality as a result.

people can use guide persons to help them back up all the time. However, as I mentioned above, training humans to not make errors or training humans to do menial jobs to prevent statistically rare errors leads to a lot of complacency and poor compliance. Mechanical devices are super fucking good at vigilance for mundane, low-rate events.

And again, blaming a kid for running behind a vehicle and getting killed is an insane take. Kids are not perfectly rational beings, and their punishment for that shouldn’t be “they should have listened better so I didn’t have to turn off this backup sensor”

finally, much as you might think it so,

 

You are the only person blaming children for getting run over. It's the person who runs the child over accident or not.

Edit

Why don't passenger vehicles come with a back up alarm as standard saftey equipment? Yes there's deaf people and they would not hear it. I think people would become complacent and ignore the sound.

 

To quote you:

much as you want it to be true, your childhood of vigilance and awareness did not correlate with a broader trend of fewer kids getting killed by cars.

 

Men sure as shit can't cross the street. I looked at a chart and most pedestrian fatalities are male.

What's your take on back yard pool saftey and accidental drownings?

 

That’s I’m really glad we mandate locking gates and doors so we aren’t solely relying on fallible human vigilance to prevent drownings

 

I'll agree to disagree. I don't have kids because I think that's the most responsible thing I can do for society.

 

Then you probably don’t realize that kids are not rational beings, so expecting them to act rationally isn’t the best way to prevent accidents.

neither are adults, for that matter. And I don’t mean that like “everyone is stupid.” I mean that, not you, not I, nor any person acts rationally and maintains vigilance as needed to prevent errors. We get extremely lucky and rely on multi-layered safety nets all around us to stay alive and unhurt.

If we can learn nothing from aviation safety, the leading industry in understanding the complexity of human error in combination with machine operation, it’s that automating vigilance tasks and shifting human attention toward higher-function monitoring is ideal.

 

ah ha ha, been there, my wifes Subaru will slam on the rear brakes if we have the bike rack in the hitch! like neck breaking lock up. think others have mentioned that it does have to be shut off every time you restart. this is why I like our Tacoma chuck the bikes in the bed and go!

 

With the amount of people on earth. I'd say the majority of people act rational enough.

 

As someone whose graduate work involves the human-machine interface and system safety, you’re wrong. Especially on vigilance tasks with low rates of error occurrence

 

i work in healthcare, and every new hire, i tell them to just know this fact about humans. "people are dumb, they are sheep, they will need you to walk them though anything, they want to be lead like a child. its rare to have people be any other way"

 

But they are all above average, just ask them

 

you know, I have a friend who holds a double masters and works for the us government, speaks several languages... one of her masters is in teaching, and the other is Eastern Arabic Relations.
but when it comes to practical application of smarts, she is dumb as a rock. now her younger sister, not book smart in the least, but girl is one of the most street smart and specially aware people I know, so much so she is an incredible police officer and 100% would let her handle a firearm with me in a sketchy situation. the older sister absolutely not. even thought I know she has weapons training as part of her .gov job

 

We’re all good at things and bad at things.

But we’re all bad at knowing what we’re bad at

 

Trolling? Your 3rd gen and the 4th gen forum area?

Every one of the current Tacoma competitors I tried and in some cases examined/tested with much detail has features like this.

From our prior auto purchase in 2020 I knew in 2016, 20 or so (most) auto makers all agreed to have their fleets have AEB and/or safety suites by 2022. Other light truck makers hopped on board to meet the competition. The data from millions showed it to be so effective that insurance is behind it.

We have this as hard to forget on what this proven effective stuff does. We lost a family member in a not his fault accident when two poorly behaving drivers on a central WI ramp sent him into the median then flipping into the other side of the freeway. His crappy Ford pickup with smash-o-matic roof plus none of the drivers having the safety suites created the sort of fatal accident that was exactly why the industry did this without any law forcing it.

Where I work we have near 200 stores where this technology is stopping parking lot accidents that sometimes disable people and for sure cause a whole lot of damage. That helped me realize a fight not worth picking.

At this point it is a fight I'm not picking. Disable the PKSB settings does't take much time. It still leaves the camera on and warning chime easy to disable with a tap.