Are stock Tacoma wheels hub centric or lug centric?

Another thread I read has me questioning the stock wheels and the balancing issues I have had with the BFG K02’s. Now I question if it’s the tires, or have the wheels never been properly balanced.
Does anyone know, for certain, which type of wheel (hub or lug centric) comes stock on the Tacoma?

The wheels in question are the black alloy wheels on a 2019 Tacoma SR with the SX package.

attached is a pic with the wheels.

 

Do think they are hub centric.

 

Yes....hub centric

 

Sonofabitch. I swear that the K02’s stay balanced for all of a damn mile before it’s like jeans in the washer on spin cycle.

 

Is it just one wheel? How much weight are they taking to balance?

 

I am not sure. I think it’s just one wheel. as far as weight, I’ll try to count it up when I leave for work.

 

My 2 cents for future reference: if you're deciding between two different aftermarket wheels, always go hub centric if one of them is.

No comment on the BFGs, its been literally 15 years since I ran them, but any tire from any manufacturer could be defective and it may not show up right away. I ran the beloved Duratracs (33x12.1
50R15 C-rated, a big floppy, sloppy size) on steelies on a TJ and they were phenomenal. I drank the kool-aid, joined the cult, praised them to everyone. Then I ran 285/70-17 D-rated on stock 2006 silverado alloys and I swear to god all 4 were garbage and hated them until I sold the truck. I would kill to have my own tire machine so I could rule out it being the tech's fault.

 

Every "stock" wheel on toyota truck I've ever had the pleasure of dealing with has been lug centric. I had horrible issues with Port wheels on a 2013 Texas edition back in 2013. Toyota changed out the wheels and tires (multiple times) they brought in a Toyota guy from San Antonio and he spent 2 days going through the suspension and verifying tolerances and specs. They even filmed the truck from a chase car. He said my wheels were .002 of perfect centric. which is as good as it gets. When he was finished, we went for a test drive and I still had the "thumping". Toyota offered to buy me new wheels (my choice) and do the installs. I declined. Sorry, I liked my wheels. They then offered to pay for any new tires I decided on. I bought new Michelins. The discount tire guys stated that the wheels must be lug mounted (6 finger lugs to a pressure plate) or the balance wouldn't be correct for any toyota truck. They had one guy that always did the toyo's.
I watched him mount the wheel on the balancer and then proceed to beat the dayights out of the tire with a 2x4 as the lug mounting was tightened up for the spin balance. They were always perfect on the truck after that. I had over 96K miles on those tires when I sold it for my 2020 Taco. Those tires still had 25K miles of good tread left.
Everytime (previous attempts at balancing before this guy did the task) the tire place did a hub centric attempt at balancing the wheels, I could watch the machine do its "spin-up" and I could literally see the hub was offset from perfect center. The wheel rim would spin slightly oval on the machine. I could see the high spot as it spun. I new it would balance on the machine, but not on the truck.
I would recommend putting calipers on you wheel hub and measure diameter, then on the centering mount at the drum or disc. compare and make your judgement call. Mine were lug centric.
YMMV. Just a description of my many months long adventure.

 

Does this mean I can't put rims on that don't have the same centre bore as the factory rims? (106.1 mm)

 

I also believe they are lug centric. Dont know about the center bore question though.

 

All aluminum Toyota wheels for Tacomas are hub centric. That’s why they use flat-backed (not conical) lug nuts from factory. All other opinions are 100% wrong.

 

You are correct sir,but what is confusing people is the lug nuts have the raised shoulder that fits into the wheel lug holes.

 

OE Wheels are 100% hub centric. Now they do mount using shank type lug nuts with alloy wheels which is what causes the confusion. It confused that fucktard Gadget from URD in the 90s and he alone is responsible for a lot of the mis-information about Toyota wheels being lug centric which interestingly is still on his website. His confusion was because he couldn't read a TSB and thought that because it suggested using a bolt plate adapter that it meant that the wheels were lug centric. He then thought that the road force balancer did something magic by pressing a roller against the tire unlocked some mysterious knowledge that no other balancer could do.

Here is the reality. The problem with balancing Toyota wheels has long been known and it is a combination of things that make them hard to center on the balancer shaft. 2 things should happen to make sure it centers. The most important being the use of the cone that is designed to be used to balance Toyota wheels. It has a taper that makes centering on the shaft more exact. Personally I don't know why no one has designed a hub centric cone, but the Toyota cone is better than using the large cone. The next thing is using a bolt plate adapter. This is a bit of a challenge because the thing is a freaking PIA to work with, but when used correctly, it is good insurance to make sure your wheel centers.

Once all that is done, it is up to the guy behind the balancer to show his skill. Correctly placing the correct amount of weight is critical. He should get it right the first time and the second spin should just be to verify. Sometimes (or a lot of times) this step is skipped and you could have problems. The other thing a skilled tech should do is watch how the wheel and tire spin. They should be smooth with no visible hops. A hop on the balancer will be a hop on your truck. Little can be done if the wheel is bent, but if it spins like glass and the tire hops, then you can work with the tire.

BFGs are no more difficult than any other tire. Actually they are easier than most because Michelin has such high quality control standards. All tires air tested and measure before they leave the factory. Could something happen after they leave? Sure, but not likely. A good tire tech will identify your problem.

 

Lug-centric wheels require a conical seated nut. Given, there is a small cone at the end of the OEM Toyota alloy wheel lug nuts, but this is for when fitting a steel “temporary” spare wheel that could be either hub or lug centric. When the alloy wheels are fitted, there are being centred by the hub, and the flat shank of the lug nut is just pressing the wheel onto the hub.

 

That is because the center hole of the wheel is so large that with a 6 x 139.7 bolt circle there is not a lot of metal between the lugs and the center hole. If you used conical seat lugs, you stand the risk of cracking the wheel when you tighten the lugs. The flat washer hold the wheel without putting pressure on the thin strip of metal.

 

Are Toyota wheels hub centric or lug centric? Yes, they are.

 

No. They are hub centric. They are not lug centric.

 

r/woosh

 

How do you really feel lol. I think...

 

okay, all good to know. Both of the discount tires near me told me that they are lug centric, thats why when they have trouble balancing them they go the lug centric route (using the wheel adapter on the balancing machine) they said. Just going by what both places told me, sounds like they are wrong based on that our wheels do not use cone style lug nuts. You learn something new every day!