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It will technically work since you're using the ground wire as the 110 volt neutral, but essentially you'd have an ungrounded 110 volt receptacle with that configuration and would need an additional white neutral wire for it to meet code. I'm not an electrician though so I'll defer to an expert on that.

 

One workbench please some assembly recommended.



https://youtu.be/mk6ch1pNIfY

 

I have a big band saw but I just sent her dewalts cordless one. I wouldn’t mind having that to cut the stuff on the rack to a rough length cs an angle grinder

 

I said ground because the wire will have a neutral in it anyway. And why not send return current on a ground? That’s what it’s for isn’t it?

The 220 outlet will use the two hot wires, ground, and neutral. The 110 outlet will just tap into the ground and a single 110 wire.

edit: the 110 can borrow neutral from the 220 also.

edit2: turns out, it’s actually not all that uncommon to convert a 220 outlet to 110.
https://www.hunker.com/12251409/how-to-convert-220-volt-to-110-volt-wiring

But tapping into the 220 is kinda the same thing. ??

 

Make sure your neutral is size properly if you go this route...

 

I think I may go this route, it will save me a lot of work since running two separate wires through my attic and down a wall and somewhat blindly trying to get them into the breaker box will be a huge pain. Not to mention saving a few bucks too.

 

Well have a update for anybody that cares HAHAH.
So my SECOND ESAB REBEL 205, I just took back to the welding shop today, because of the issues I mentioned the other day... I wanted to see if it was something I was doing or not.

Turns out it was a POS straight out of the box! The welding shop manager and the ESAB rep both tried and it did the same thing with them.

That makes the second machine in a row, with a total of THREE failures.

So guess this marks the end with ESAB with me or at least MultiPurpose machines....

Anybody have suggestions for me now??

They mentioned the Lincoln SquareWave 200.

 

I have the squarewave 200. Solid little machine. Not super advanced functions but ac/dc, full pulse adjustments, balance/frequency, flex head torch, up to 200 amps, and pedal feels good. The only thing I don’t like about it is that the fan is always on

 

220 circuits dont have a neutral since the current alternates between the two hots. That said, you could run a 3 wire cable instead of 2 if you want a neutral, which is what it sounds like you're thinking of doing, but you only need 2 hots and no neutral for the 220 volt plug.

 

Most new machines seem to be like this. Bugged me big time when I first got my Miller multimatic 215 in the beginning but I’ve come around to it

 

It literally isn't. Ground is a safety - it shouldn't have any current on it so as to avoid it having any residual voltage. Device casings are sometimes/often connected to the ground terminal as a safety feature to ensure a circuit breaker will pop if an internal fault routes the 120V or 240V voltage to the casing somehow (loose wire, etc). Any of those devices plugged into the circuit would potentially have a voltage and could shock someone -- potentially injuring them.

(wires aren't perfect conductors - run 15 amps across hot to neutral and the neutral wire will have a non-zero voltage on it as it travels back to the panel.)

See: https://community.smartthings.com/t/faq-neutral-and-ground-wires-are-not-interchangeable/27849

Depends. Three-prong 30 amp 240V outlets are typically supplied by two hot wires and a ground. No Neutral. Four prong are typically supplied by two hot wires, a neutral wire, and a ground. This is why I said run a four-wire if you're going to do this, that way you have a neutral to use.

Now consider this though... 50 or 60 amp breaker for your 240V outlet. You pull off one side and neutral for a 120V outlet a few feet away using typical romex. Breaker may not pop before the outlet and/or wiring to the outlet catch fire. Sure you may remember never to overload that outlet, but will the person who next lives there know or remember?

Thus the suggestion of considering a sub-panel with appropriately sized breakers.

Not everything you that you can do is necessarily smart or safe to do.

 

In the world of welding it seems like Lincoln and Miller, is like Ford and Chevy...

I wish I knew the solid machine/s to go with without all these bull fart problems... I realize I'll need to get a dedicated Tig and Mig machine now... I'm thinking for what I paid for that POS REBEL 205, I'd probably be able to get those two dedicated machines and maybe even a Plasma.... Maybe not, I really haven't looked much into the Plasmas.

 

Lol. I just had to pull new wires to my shop as the original contractor pulled the wrong stuff and I was seeing up to a 10v drop when pulling a lot of current!

 

Look at miller’s new multimatic 220. Can do everything a hobbyist and probably small fab shop would need. Main thing is mig and ac/dc tig

 

Yeah, I've heard of it, and I've heard it was problematic like my last two ESAB 205 REBELS.. That was why I got the REBEL 205 initially, it would have been great but they both were garbage.

 

Who’d you hear is having issues with the 220? I know there’s tons of issues with esabs gun and welders in general. First time hearing anything on the 220 besides wheel every weekend on Insta but he wouldn’t go into to much detail about it

 

The way I do this is run a 100amp line to another breaker box (sub Panel) where I need it.

Making sure the cable is heavy enough for your demands

This is fed off the main service that way I have 240VAC and 120VAC and circuit protection right at hand Outlets for the Welder and plasma plus a 120Vac line to the welding table for lights grinders and coffee marker.

Since I have not mastered Plasma torch in one hand and stinger in another I am not using both bigger demands at once.

 

I really feel your pain!! Your Lucky at least you saw a ESAB rep here they change so fast in 15 years I met one. I guess death threats will cause that.

It seems Lincoln Has the bugs worked out of the Tig 200`s .

The newer designs always will have bugs to work out

I guess if your heavy into Stainless and Aluminum or lots of sheet metal a Plasma machine is needed I seldom use mine .

Best of Luck no matter which way you decide It can have a lot to do just who has the best support in your area Here it is Miller but Lincoln is pushing hard.

 

I guess just welding supply shop talk while I was there, actually yesterday... Basically It sounds like there's issues across the board with the MultiProcess machines... Sounds like they'll be some that never have any issues and the machines will do great, then there's guys like me that get them directly out of the box not working...

With my REBEL 205 ~ Not only was the AC TIG not working, the rep and welding supply shop manager tried stick too and it was absolutely a joke, I think it put out 17 amps max...

In other words from what I've gathered these companies putting out the MultiProcess machines, jumped the gun putting them out, they didn't truly have the bugs worked out of and it was a bit too much tech for them to try and stuff into them... But they did it anyway and rolled the dice with everyone involved dealing with them, the customer spending 3,000$, the shop managers and reps having to deal with all the issues.. Big companies don't care about nothing but BIG numbers $, If they make 40 million and lose 5 million from the turds they pump out, it doesn't phase them.

The ESAB rep straight up told me yesterday he had a text from his boss saying he had SIX 205 REBELS dead just yesterday.. And he hates them for obvious reasons..

That being said, I personally don't have any experience with the Miller MP and they may be better than the REBEL 205.. But now I'm burned by my experience with MPs. The idea is great and what sold me, but until they REALLY get the garbage out of them I'll pass.

Funny thing it was the ESAB rep who walked over and pointed to the Lincoln Square 200.. He did mention a couple of Millers ~ Dynasty 210/280 ~ Syncrowave 300 ~ Diversion 180...
For now, I just want something consistently dependable that welds nice.

Good thing tho they themselves said I think we should just give you your money back on the Turd REBEL 205.. So I didn't even have to mention it.


You may be right about the plasma.

And you're right about local support, they even mention that yesterday when we were talking up there. Good point.

 

Yea, I’d love to have another panel in the garage but the expense isn’t worth it to me. Maybe tapping a 110 into a 220 isn’t such a hot idea. I did find that it is within code to do it if it’s a dedicated garage outlet. I can’t to it in the laundry room for example. But, the amp difference isn’t something I previously thought about until it was mentioned above.