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Anyone currently using Revolution Gear and Axle 4.88 ring and pinions?

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by n6vmo, Mar 21, 2020.

  1. Mar 21, 2020 at 5:19 AM
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    n6vmo

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    What type of experience are you looking for? Gears are gears
     
  3. Mar 21, 2020 at 6:51 AM
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    I would disagree. There are good gears and bad gears. Some poorly manufactured gears are known to use inferior metallurgy, they yield inconsistent setup patterns, etc.
     
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  4. Mar 21, 2020 at 7:01 AM
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    Oh great please tell us which manufacturers are known for inferior metallurgy and make bad gears, I’m sure they would love to hear from you.

    OP, don’t let bullshit like this scare you. Your experience between Nitro, Yukon, Revolution and Motive will be pretty much the same.

    Manufacturing defects can occur in literally everything. The difference in gears is incalculable.
     
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  5. Mar 21, 2020 at 4:30 PM
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    Genuines are worth reading up on... well know as a "budget" gear set with poor setup consistency and longevity. Not to be confused with genuine OEM Toyota gears which are known to be some or the most consistent to setup. Bad gears are hardly a secret in the industry/community.

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    Spend a few minutes searching, plenty of professional gear installers (such as Ken at GearInstalls.com) who can relate their personal experience with the difference in gears such as Genuine's.

    Do you setup gears? Curious how long you've been at it? Ever seen an inconsistent pattern? Out of spec bearing journals? Poorly formed threads? Misaligned ring pattern? We've been selling/installing/using aftermarket gears for 25+ years, rock crawlers, KOH rigs, B1K desert racing, etc. It's naive at best to say "all gears are the same" give the gradients in QC, metallurgy, heat treating (cryogenic work), shot peening, double peening, various lapping techniques, etc. There are gears made in Italy, Japan, India, China, the US, etc...hardly the same quality across the board. While it's absolutely true that manufacturing defects can occur in anything... that's exactly why all gears are not the same ;)
     
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  6. Mar 21, 2020 at 5:41 PM
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    Keep the drama for YouTube. Lots of people running them without issue, maybe you didn't know they are G2. Everyone knows of someone else’s brothers cousins moms nephews best friend who had a problem. Let’s cite more things from decades ago.

    Yes regearing some Dana 60s and 14 Bolts now.

    Any particular comments about Revolution for the OP? No, then we’re done here. Gears are gears, the main thing the OP has to worry about is finding someone qualified to install them if he doesn't do it himself.
     
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    Lol, drama. Do you want to me the pot or the kettle? Do I have drama on YouTube? You obviously seem to have a bone to pick with me personally, cool. I’m not hear to create drama, but I don’t think a “gear is a gear” any more than “tire is a tire”.

    Genuine and G2 are/were different gears, totally different source of manufacture. Maybe you didn’t know that ;)

    So gears are gears today, but 10 years ago they were not? I disagree, there were some low quality looking machine work R&P’s being marketed at the SEMA/APPEX show just last year. Hopefully none of them end up in boxes from vendors here in the US. Knock-off ARB’s the same “locker is a locker too”?

    Sorry, I’ve got nothing to share about Revolution, which ironically is the same amount of tangible & practical information you had to share about them. I know they’ve reached out to our shop a handful of times and seem to cover all of the standard gear offerings. We’ve not been displeased with the Nitro and Sierra parts so I’ve not done any due diligence. They might be a fantastic option, they might be a low quality steel from India. But a gear isn’t a gear.

    Edit: Just took a look at a catalog Luke from Revolution emailed over. Based on the part numbers they are using for their entire Toyota lineup. I’d suspect some of their Toyota applications are in fact reboxed Nitro’s. There are definitely multiple manufactures making the same application/ratio but the part numbers and 29 spline upgrades make me wonder as not all manufactures do that. Could also be they liked the way Nitro labeled gears and wanted to emulate that? They do offer in house superfinishing... which again makes one gear different from even their own gear. :D

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  8. Mar 22, 2020 at 8:31 AM
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    I’m not the one that stirred up an irrelevant discussion unrelated to the OPs question. Instead of agreeing to disagree you want share some anecdotes you read on the internet that no one here cares about.

    Lots of gears are rebranded and lots of them made in the same factories. But G2 Stated they rebranded from Genuine, if not, take it up with them. Again, completely irrelevant.

    And yes your references from 10-15 years ago are indeed irrelevant as many things have changed since then. Irrelevant.

    The point you can’t seem to grasp is that there will always be someone with an opinion about different brands. Someone will dislike, Yukon, or Nitro, or Motive or Superior and yes you will have people who have broken ARB carriers while others and running cheap lunchboxes without issue.

    Plenty of people running “inferior” products without issue on some of the toughest trails.

    So I’m going to be that guy and agree to disagree and bounce out of this nonsensical discussion.
     
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  9. Mar 22, 2020 at 9:42 AM
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    My prospective gear installer quoted me an install price of a set of Nitro gears.
    I asked the installer about his suggested break-in method and he sent me the break-in procedure for a Revolution gear set.

    That's when I posted the forum question. Confused, I reiterated to the installer that I was quoted a set of Nitros.
    He then corrected his mistake and sent the correct break-in procedure. I will verify that I do indeed get a set of Nitros when I bring the truck in for the install.

    Thanks for all the replies...
     
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  10. Mar 22, 2020 at 9:47 AM
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    The break-in procedures are pretty consistent across manufacturers. I’d be curious if there are any differences. It’s typically 2-3 heat cycles followed by a 500 mile break in period.

    Don’t forget to do the front.
     
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    check out ECGS web page = they have a full detailed outline for break-in including what diff fluid to use during and after.
     

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