4th gen 6MT - Rev Hang

Been doing some recon on the new 6MT and came across a couple of driving impressions so far.

I was most excited about the manual and even though I have tested the 8-speed already and it's excellent, I had my heart set on the stick many months ago when it was announced. That said the only manuals I have driven were early 2000s economy cars which to my knowledge all had cable throttle and not electronic throttle bodies. I have driven automatic pickups and truck SUVs for a while now and I was not aware that modern manuals all appear to have something call "rev hang" where the revs stay high or decrease slowly after releasing the throttle leading to awkward shifting.

This reviewer seems to really be laying into it as an experience killer. I am curious to those who have the 3rd gen 6MT (or the 4th gen for that matter) as to how much of an issue is this really?



This other reviewer put up the best POV drive I have seen so far of the truck and barely comments on rev hang although some of the shifts you can tell seem a bit sloppy.



Wondering if this is unique to the 4th gen or does the 3rd gen behaves in a similar way. I can see this being more of an issue if you are coming from a hot hatch or some kind of fast car where you would be shifting aggressively but in a pickup I picture driving a bit more conservatively.

A manual demo model is basically a non-option given availability, would have to order a manual to see one in person so appreciate any insights from those who've driven either the 3rd or 4th gen manuals and whether this is such a killjoy as to warrant picking the automatic instead.

 

3rd gens for sure have rev hang pretty bad when stock but most people either get used to it (slow your shifting to around a 2-3 second shift) or get tuned as that's one of the areas addressed by tuning these trucks. 3rd gens also have a clutch accumulator( it basically just slows the engagement of the clutch to reduce driveline shock) which alot of people, including myself, have chosen to do away with for a more direct and consistent clutch feel.

I've never driven a 4th gen so I can't yet comment on those

Otherwise though I love my 3rd gen and wouldn't trade it for an automatic any day of the week.

A manual would most likely have to be ordered in with possibly a deposit but you can still get that with the careful wording of "i'll place a deposit to bring in a manual but the deposit refund has to be on condition I test drive it" thats what I did and how I got out of a deal with a sketchy dealer that was charging an additional $15'000 to the other dealer I was talking to and ended up getting my truck from when I became suspicious of other things they were telling me about the truck

 

I have a manual 3rd gen.

I only really experience rev hang if I accelerate hard and shift later in the RPM range. It’s just something for me to get used to.

It didn’t really kill my joy, but it’s also just my daily driver pickup truck. In a fun, weekend sports car, I would want it tuned out if it has any.

Overall, I still like the driving experience my 3rd gen gave me, and if it wasn’t for the manual availability, I wouldn’t be driving a Tacoma.

 

It’s present in the 3g but it’s not all that often you even notice it. It’s definitely not enough of a problem to not get the manual

the 4g has way more torque down low, which was the biggest problem with the 3g manual. It was basically dead until 3k rpm from the factory. Even then, the 3g manual is vastly better than the auto

 

I think for the most part the media reviewers are full of it when it comes to telling you their impression of MTs on anything besides sports cars. This guy, however, is an old school enthusiast and he absolutely loved the MT.
https://www.theautopian.com/2024-toyota-tacoma-review/

 

Yep this is spot on. The rev hang on a truck is not going to be fixed by a tune. It has a heavy flywheel for a reason… the reason being it’s a truck not a sports car.

 

I didn't notice it too bad on the 3rd gen sport I test drove, but it was only a test drive so my experience was limited and I babied it. Now my '08 FJ had terrible rev hang to the point it sucked all the joy out of the driving experience. That FJ was why I didn't even bother looking at an MT 3rd gen. I'll be curious to see how a 4th gen does if I ever find an MT to test drive or buy.

Rev hang is a big reason why driving an MT nowadays isn't even close to the experience it once was.

 

You got to test drive it. Or try to find a 3rd gen and drive that one because I’m sure they will be similar when talking about rev hang. I like my truck, it has some rev hang which was annoying when new but I’ve adjusted to it I don’t notice it anymore. It’s my impression the first reviewer Kirk Kreifels is not giving the 6MT a fair review. He was fanboying over the 8 speed auto a few months back during the press test drives. The second reviewer is better.

 

The majority of that isn't from the flywheel but is programmed in for emissions, I mean the dang thing is increasing revs between upshifts and holds them there.

OP I think it is just something you have to test to see if it is annoying. My 2019 WRX has rev hang that I've dealt with for 100k miles now, the 1>2 shift is pretty awful. I hate having to slip the clutch just to get a smooth shift in lower gears, 2nd through 6th isn't bad as the ratios get closer. This 2024 Tacoma looks worse than my car, which may kill it for me but I am still looking to test one out.

Subaru figured it out on the 2022+ WRXs and somehow got rid of rev hang entirely, one of the only modern manuals I know of that doesn't really have it at all.

(Edit: looking at the vid again though, perhaps the rev hang is more of an issue when driving it hard. It may not be so bad during leisurely driving)

 

By adjust to it do you mean you let off the gas a bit earlier than you would otherwise, basically factoring in the rev hang before you clutch in?

 

You kind of just adapt to it. For the most part, I just shift slower, which seems to smooth everything out. You can get good fast higher rpm shifts if you find the sweet spot.

 

On the 3rd gen.

I let off the gas and wait 1-2 seconds before clutching. If you wait a bit before clutching the rpms will drop quicker . If you clutch as soon as you let off the throttle the engine will still be reving and you will have to wait and watch the rpms drop slowly which is annoying.

 

Given I'm out of practice should I worry about slipping/burning the clutch during the learn-in period? or is it something you get used to quickly. Do not want to be the guy buying a new clutch 7 months after delivery. lol

 

I actually found 2nd gens had worse rev hang than 3rd gens.

I always associated rev hang to emissions and catalytic converter temps. VW's inline 5s were REALLY bad for it. Maybe its flywheel but I think its programming.

Havent drive a 4th gen manual yet, but I'll report in when I do.

 

Granny shift from day one. I’ll come up and teach you.

 

My beater daily is a 03’ accord 5MT and oh my god its so smooth. No rev hang absolutely responsive gearbox and clutch. And a cable throttle too so rev matching is so precise.

really wish they could bring back this type of connectedness with cars.

 

Find a 3 gen manual truck to go test drive. They are out there somewhere to test drive. Find out for yourself if you will like it. Everyone has a different feel on how this truck drives.

 

over 75K on my...3rd gen and rev hang is a non issue

 

23’ Pro Manual OTT tuned reduced rev hang - or because it has more torque down low I don’t notice . If you wind up hard to 4K rpm+ I think it still has some rev hang though.

 

You can find the gear ratios online. 1st to 2nd gear is the trickiest to get used to because the gap between the gears is very wide. But I know something to make it easier for you. 2nd gear is about half the RPMs of 1st gear. Eg. 1st is 3000rpms at 15mph, 2nd would be around 1500rpm at 15mph.

For rev hang and not having to slip the clutch You literally do it this way:
1)Accelerate to desired speed before shift
2) let off throttle and count 1-2-3
3) clutch in
4) watch RPMs drop to next gear speed

Like I wrote before, if you clutch in to soon after letting off throttle you will experience the hang and you will be tempted to slip the clutch to force the RPMs down. Just do the steps smoothly.