106.1 vs 106.25 rims

Hi all new guy here. I have a line on a set of rims that are 18X9's Method Vex 311's. the main concern i have is the bolt pattern is correct but our tacomas have a 106.1 hub and these Methods are 106.25. should i pass on these?

 

The wheel studs are designed to provide clamping force and not to carry the weight of the vehicle so yeah pass or install a hub shim to make up the difference.

 

It'll be absolutely fine don't worry about it

 

This is false.

 

This is false.

They machine it slightly larger for manufacturing error. A sheet of paper is .1mm and we are talking about .15mm here so it's not much.

They will be fine.

 

Either go 100% hub centric or 100% lug centric; including the type of balance.
Since they have conical lug seats they are lug centric.
I would want a slightly larger bore to avoid any interference if the center of the bolt circle and center of hub are not coincident.

 

You sure you got the right guy?

 

100% if it was 108mm like my wheels he would need a adapter.

How do you balance lug centric? Every tire machine I have every used has a cone that you tighten into the center hole of the wheel to clamp it onto the balancing machine.
Im genuinely curious about this as I've never heard of it.

 

these are the rims in question.

 

Their fine. Get some qaulity lug nuts. The extended ones if you can. I prefer steel over aluminum lug nuts.

 

My "false" statement to the other member, was a reply to his assertion that load is applied through the hub and hub bore. But you're going on about bore diameters...so I'm a little confused.

To answer your question...

 

Sorry it did not show that you qouted someone when I read it.

That's really interesting. I've never seen a attachment like that for a balancer. Hm learn something new everyday

 

Now, imagine getting a hub-centric balance and mounting it on the vehicle in a lug-centric fashion. It's balanced on the machine, but not on the vehicle.

Imagine the wheel bore center not coinciding with the wheel bolt circle, yet being piloted by the bore. This creates very high stress at the lug seats; increasing creep relaxation, decreasing clamping force and ultimately resulting in stud failure.

 

Really? The problem arises when using a lug centric wheel on a vehicle and suspension that was originally a hub centric design. Without hub support road impacts can deform lugs enough to where the wheel is no longer concentric with the hub leading to vibrations. This can reduce the clamping force of the wheel to the hub. Road loading conditions can then move the wheel around on the hub. Lug centric wheels are good for golf carts that’s about all.

 

Nope.
Loads are transferred through the friction connection via nut clamp force, as well as shear and bending forces applied through the nut to the wheel stud.

You know why manufactures use hub-centric? Increased clamping force...that's it.
So if we maintain the same torque spec for a lug centric wheel, we have reduced clamping force. Increasing torque and/or lubing the lug seats can offset the loss some.

 

Those wheels will fit just fine. If the pilot diameter was in the 108-mm range, there would be a problem.

 

Manufacturers use hub centric wheels to center the wheel on the hub which eliminates vibration from the wheels not being centered. Clamping force has nothing to do with the design.

 

If I recall correctly, you're a tire tech or alignment tech?
Anything I can say or present, to convince you that is wrong?

 

I'm not saying that there isn't some gained benefit beyond the purpose, but the ability to center the wheel is the key. You could argue that various lug nut/bolt design could have some variance in clamping force, but the hub centric wheel is there to center the wheel. I can think of a hand full of vehicles that didn't have hub centric wheels, but nothing made in the past 20 years at least.

 

It is there to center the wheel; only because it is a requirement of the flat lug design.

Here's a peer reviewed tech article, if anyone is so inclined.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Vaw3bSf7_6BCnNkhZ71jhTCoT&cshid=1587405851161